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MarcE wrote: 17 Jun 2024, 16:32
Capt. Timeter wrote: 17 Jun 2024, 15:26
AKar wrote: 17 Jun 2024, 12:10 loss of hydraulic pressure would cause the gear to fall and lock down, even with the selector in the up position (with the green for nose gear not illuminating in that specific configuration).
Then how, pray, they managed to land it gear up?
Because every failsafe system can fail. I don‘t recall what exactly happened to Scott‘s Aerostar or if he even shared the details but I believe to remember that one if the main gears was stuck retracted and that they decided a belly landing was safer to do.
"Fail safe" ... :mrgreen: Almost as good a brochure term as "maintenance free". :mrgreen:

Anyways, having only studied Aerostar from books and pictures, basically, never having seen one properly up close and throughout, there are several areas where my 'distance learning' impressions of the design are not necessarily all that convinced. All that only serves to make it unique and interesting in the sim, of course! But if I had to encounter one in real, such things would make me suspicious at first instead (of course, these impressions often prove false in real, erring both ways sometimes).

One of those areas of my suspicion is the landing gear.

First of all, it does not appear there are any direct means for alternate extension. To get the landing gear fall free when hydraulic pressure is lost, well, one must lose the hydraulic pressure. You could make that happen, by either stopping the right-hand engine OR, if you want to keep that running, closing an electrically operated shutoff valve in the system, a move which would quickly destroy your now dry-running engine-driven hydraulic pump. One would also have to disarm the auxiliary pump, if installed. AND thereafter, one must cycle the flaps until the accumulator pressure is depleted. Which would mean you also lost control of your flaps. A separate isolate & dump valve for alternate gear extension would have been relatively easy to accomplish.

The gear itself appears unnecessarily complicated for such aircraft, while not particularly robust in mechanical design. In particular, how the main gear door sequencing is accomplished makes me raise my eyebrows and whisper the word 'why'. I am not going into details of this all now, but perhaps later on if I could make some illustrations. I don't know really if this is causing much or any issues in reality - it can be a sound system in practice, but it seems a dubious one in theory. :D

Speaking generally, aside anything getting broken or stuck mechanically, standard failure modes common to such hydraulic systems apply here as well. For instance, the fluid needs to get out from the side of the actuator piston it is extending towards (these are dual acting actuators). It is possible, just to give one example, that debris in the system (pieces of damaged packing or whatnot) would block the return path, hindering proper movement.

The list would be a long one, lots can go wrong with apparently fail safe systems.

-Esa

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Marketing in airplanes isnt always spot on. Cessna marketed the C172 as "Land-O-matic" and while its tricycle gear is much easier to land on a taildragger, it is not "automatic".

I am looking forward to the Release of the aerostar. I just hope another plane will follow faster this time.

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AKar wrote: 18 Jun 2024, 10:26 perhaps later on if I could make some illustrations.
That will be highly appreciated!
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Michael-C172pilot wrote: 18 Jun 2024, 16:06 I just hope another plane will follow faster this time.
Only Accusim 3.0 in 2026, only hardcore! :lol:
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The C172 came out 2014, I think, and FSX 2006. So 2028 seems rather realistic ;).

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Piper_EEWL wrote: 15 Jun 2024, 09:28 Time to practice the Barry Seal moves 😅
exactly(and all synonyms)
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Sorry for the dumb question, but what exact Aerostar model are we expecting to see released? Thanks!

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zazaboeing wrote: 19 Jun 2024, 15:31 Sorry for the dumb question, but what exact Aerostar model are we expecting to see released? Thanks!
I think the non-turbo/non-pressurized 600 model.

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Excited for this one! I've flown nearly nothing else since the Comanche came about, I expect that it'll get a little run for its money with this Aerostar. Great news!

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Morning all!

Wow, wow, thrice wow!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JvwXK8Z2DE

Aerostar Rod

EGBB summer begins today

Enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPUmE-tne5U

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MarcE wrote: 17 Jun 2024, 09:14 That will be an amazing addon! Great news!

Althooooouuugh I must admit I had silently hoped for a radial airplane like the AT-6. But of course I‘ll love the Aerostar, it‘s certainly a great plane! I love the nose gear steering with that left/right switch :D
I was hoping for a radial at well. Maybe we need to pool our money and buy one for Scott. :lol:

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looks slower than duke, but faster than duke, what the secret, is material, structure limitation? really, look at them, duke just must be fastest twin, even starring in the cartoon
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The Aerostar looks even more appealing to me now that I learned it can do some aerobatics, and the 1 screenshot we got looks great, but what happened to the 2 planes per year goal that Scott talked about on that German podcast a while ago? I was super excited about getting a new A2A plane every 6 months or so. Now it's looking more like once a year :roll:

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einherz wrote: 20 Jun 2024, 14:32 looks slower than duke, but faster than duke, what the secret, is material, structure limitation? really, look at them, duke just must be fastest twin, even starring in the cartoon
Aerostar has some rated 290 sea level naturally aspirated horsepower per side to move it quick. Duke needs some 380 turbocharged horsepower per side to drag it up into thin air where it can somewhat haul its ass because somebody insisted it needs to be shaped like a shoe. :mrgreen:

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afaik. any aircraft need more power for take her ass up than sea level flight. don't try to fool me, i'm the one already:)
and btw i asked not about grand piston. just about simple pis. duke uhahaaha
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