Testing BOBII on W11with 2.13

[Lofty Anstruther]

Hi Patrick,

I have just done another small test. I had originally changed the settings to match the pdf that you sent me with the guidance for setting up BoB2 to test your work.

When I booted up BoB2 for this, I noticed that following last night's CTD, certain parameters had changed. They were:
3D resolution had changed to 640x480x16@59. (However, the campaign resolution had not changed).

I reset this and started the Tangmere landing IA. I could not get the prop pitch to change even though I had previously mapped it and it had worked fine. I exited to the Options page and found that the programme had reverted to auto engine management. I reset this option and it was ok again.

I restarted the mission and landed at Tangmere. Taxied to the end of the runway and took off to repeat my trip to London as per last night. I did not 'sightsee' the docks but went straight to Hornchurch (I live fairly near to there but even closer to Rochford!). Landed ok. Taxied in and switched off the engine and immediately got a CTD.

I restarted BoB2 and found that the game had again reset the 3D resolution as above. I again changed it to !1920x1080x32@60 and then looked to see if the game has also changed any other settings. It had. They are as follows:

Ground shading - on
Filtering - All
smoke effects - on
Texture quality - high
item shadows - on
object quality - high
G effects - on
injury effects - on
white outs - on
engine management - auto

I corrected these as per your pdf.

I then did the IA landing at Kenley mission. I landed ok, taxied in. switched off the engine and when I ended the mission via 'alt' + 'x' I got a CTD.

Cheers

Keith

Off topic - I noticed your Pierre Clostermann quote in your posts. I have a lot of biographies of WW2 fighter pilots and I think that 'The Big Show' is by far the best of them. No other book describes what it was like as well as he does. I have read it several times and will read it several more times before I am done!

[Jarods18]

Lofty, sorry for that … do not use the pdf with my settings… I think it is not a good idea
-directly try settings in this picture (not the files for clouds) on the link
-don’t touch NVidia panel ; and restore to default values if something you have done is set

According this :

-Another solution i am testing is that , it reduces the CTD , bug , all is on the picture :

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/e3q0r2t8 ... 1ivoo&dl=0

Remember...You have done this setting of desktop resolution "ON" in this thread ; for me it is better that "OFF"

-Decreasing the settings will be the solution...

Cheers, Patrick

[Lofty Anstruther]

Will do - I have downloaded param bob2-213 and will reset my nviea panel to default settings. I will report back when I have done this and given it a test.

Cheers

Keith

[Jarods18]

Great Keith, think to set the resolution desktop equal to resolution 3D AND resolution map in GAME the at the same value ; then turn desktop resolution ON in the game as the picture show it… mine is 1600x1200 but I might set to a lower value for still more stability… it’s better to approach the native resolution of your screen.
Then second time try the c04 bob2 I am talking in the previous messages ; c04 is more stable than original bob213
Don’t forget 4go patch
And the admin mode with seven selection instead of sp2 according the picture
The problem of CTD will reduce but will exist
In the campaign it also appears, unfortunately but you can still decrease values in the more GFX tab ; u the way your graphics card is stronger than mine…
Don’t include a NVidia parameter at all
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After this test if it is not acceptable we will apply the same process on a fresh new installation 2.11
If the problem continue we will do a last try with the the 2.06.1
Here it is my vision of things hopping we will capture a version working for the best , including campaign mode , that is the purpose.
Have a nice we
Good tests to come
We rest in touch on the forum for discuss about results
Cheers
Patrick

[AVM_James]

I'm a dunce, my new SSD hasnt even arrived and my Win7 plans are scuppered as Win7 is apparently incompatible with my Gen 10 Intel i5..

Anyone got a virtual box to work?

[AVM_James]

Scrub that, it turns out that you can make Windows 7 work even on some of the latest generation CPU/GPU/Motherboards etc. It's "just" a simple matter of customising the Windows 7 ISO with the updates to run the latest generation stuff etc. (I followed a few guides online).

Thus, with my new cheap SSD running Windows 7, I have installed and successfully ran BOBII at V2.13. I've done several IA and several campaign sorties, with not a single CTD!

[Jarods18]

Thus, with my new cheap SSD running Windows 7, I have installed and successfully ran BOBII at V2.13. I've done several IA and several campaign sorties, with not a single CTD!

Congrate to you … Fine !!! to do that what are your ingredients : a seven cdrom obliged ? Because your computer is with win 10 ; is there a dual boot ?

[AVM_James]

Congrate to you … Fine !!! to do that what are your ingredients : a seven cdrom obliged ? Because your computer is with win 10 ; is there a dual boot ?

Firstly you'll need to check whether your motherboard can boot in CSM (Compatibility Support Module). Mine does although it wasn't available in the Settings, but did appear in the Search when I boot into BIOS mode. My Motherboard (MSI Z490) is apparently quite friendly with Windows 7.

I then followed the steps on this Reddit post up to Step 9.

You'll need:

1. Windows 7 ISO
2. Windows 7 product key
3. Spare USB stick, recommend at least 8 GB
4. Spare Hard Drive. I bought a 240 GB SSD (brand MSI) from Amazon for £13

Once the USB has the Windows 7 install on it, boot to USB and install on your spare drive. Then install BOBII, copy across drivers for RealTek, NVIDIA, Thrustmaster etc. and install on Win7. I downloaded them on Win11 and copied across as I don't want to connect to the internet on my Win7 boot for security.

I run Windows 11 off my main SSD and have set my BIOS to boot the Win 11 drive by default. If I want to boot into Win 7 I just press the F11 key to display the quick boot option when turning the PC on, I can then select the Win7 Drive.

[AVM_James]

with not a single CTD!

https://imgur.com/a/fzH8DN6

OK so maybe one crash. Although it wasn't a CTD, just 'stopped responding'. But that may just be my PC or random. I haven't done that fix to make the BOB.exe aware of more memory, so I may do that.

[Jarods18]

with not a single CTD!

OK so maybe one crash. Although it wasn't a CTD, just 'stopped responding'. But that may just be my PC or random. I haven't done that fix to make the BOB.exe aware of more memory, so I may do that.

I also think it would be a randomly error !
Nevertheless it’s great to hear that your bob2 is running fine on your computer …
Thanks for the details above concerning your recommandation and advise

[Lofty Anstruther]

Hello All,

I have done some testing using Jarods18's package. Here is what happened:

Instant Action

1. Landing - Biggin Hill: Landed, taxied, rolled to a stop and then CTD.
2. Landing - Kenley: Landed, taxied, switched off the engine and then exited via 'alt+x'. Back to menu screen ok.
3. Lone Fighter v Lone Bomber: Landed at Hawkinge, switched off the engine and then exited via 'alt+x'. Back to menu screen ok.
4. Landing Debden: Landed ok and the raised the undercarriage instead of the flaps! then exited via 'alt+x'. Back to menu screen ok.
5. Landing Debden (properly this time! : switched off the engine and then exited via 'alt+x'. Back to menu screen ok.
6. Landing Tangmere: switched off the engine and then exited via 'alt+x'. Back to menu screen ok.

Campaign Test (Convoys)
54 Squadron, Single Pilot Campaign.

Day 1, no flights, no problem.
Day 2 Scrambled to intercept (Enter cockpit at interception mode) Initially the cockpit view was frozen. Then ok, but as I turned to attack there was a CTD.
I will continue the campaign but will now select any squadron and also take-off and landing parameters to test a variety of airfields.

Hope this helps (crash log available).
Cheers
Lofty

[Jarods18]

Hi Lofty
What a good report you have done !
You fly a lot without Ndll.dll windows 10 error (as written at the first line of crash log)…but only 2 ctd
Hum…I am wondering if my graphics card is good enough …

From my side I also tested :
- the day of defiant in a spitfire : ctd with the error above , after one minute when altX and sometimes 2 minutes ; please check for you
- idem quick mission in a 109 a/c : ctd when altX after 2-3 minutes not more ; do a little bit better ; please check
- flying by default over Manston 2000 meters (free flight) : ctd with these error ; if I go away of this airfield no problem ; but time to fly without ctd is counted ; no more of 5 minutes ; please check…

- raf campaign, not a SIngle pilot campaign : ctd as above very quickly if altX ; sometimes I fly a long time after a scramble ; but the ctd will arrive …

To decrease the time of ctd I decrease all values to low ; not good and not acceptable …

So according these facts , IMO :
After a long time on the « project 2.13 » under windows 10 , and I have concluded that the CTD’s was too numerous (for me ) especially with the campaign part, that is a pity ! and so, this is not acceptable for me ; maybe my graphics card ? Not sure… and you ?
I decided to test with an anterior version of bob 2

Cheers, Jarods18

[Lofty Anstruther]

Hi Mate!

I will try the 3 missions that you would like me to check - maybe tomorrow evening but certainly during the weekend.

I am thinking that my long term solution will need to be like AVM_James - another SSD with Win7 (I still have a disk) for use with BoB2 and some other older programmes, whilst keeping my main set up for normal use.

Still, we aren't finished yet.

i will post my results as soon as I can.

Cheers

Lofty

[Lofty Anstruther]

Hey Patrick,

I have tested the 3 missions. here is what happened:

1. Day of the Defiant. BoB2 defaulted to a 111 Squadron Hurricane. I was unable to select a Spitfire. I flew the mission 3 times. The only crashes were when I was shot down! But I had no CTD's

2. Free Flight in a Bf109 - I was over England around Tangmere when I spawned in. I immediately came under attack by flack and the engine was damaged. A combination of in cockpit and map acceleration got me over to France and i flew up the coast for a while and then landed, No CTD.

3. Free Flight Over Manston in a Spitfire - I flew this mission 2 times.

Flight 1 - I flew over the base, out over the coast at Ramsgate and turned back. I called the tower for a heading to base and then got a CTD.

Flight 2 - I flew over the base, did a circuit and landed. I taxied across the field, took off and flew over the coast at Ramsgate and turned back. I called the tower for a heading to base and held my breath........But all ok. I landed, taxied over to the parked Blenheim's and switched off. 'Alt + x' and I was able to exit to the menu screen.

I hope this helps.

Cheers

Keith

[Jarods18]

Hello Keith
Thanks for these tests and reporting…
These results are correct and surprising, and I will try tomorrow from my side. I will do a new FRESH install of 2.13 (because I am testing actually 2.12 for the moment)…
Your graphics card is better than mine , it helps you …
But what do you think after this test, and the others above you did , especially the SPC campaign : is it acceptable for you ?
Btw : Can you precise me and confirmation your settings to can do comparison ?
Cheers
Patrick