A2A Aerostar Emergency Landing

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Re: A2A Aerostar Emergency Landing

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Just bite the bullet and upgrade to a new PC-12 NGX. That should manage to carry your gear adequately. :D
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Re: A2A Aerostar Emergency Landing

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Scott - A2A wrote:
13 Jan 2021, 08:06
I suppose a cool way to look at this is, A2A's job is to make N122PC live forever through Accu-Sim. It's even more important now, especially since these straight 600's are getting so rare.

Despite the loss, there is so much gained and I'm grateful to be on this journey with everyone here.

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That is an awesome perspective to keep, Scott!! Thank as well for all the updates along the journey!!! :D

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Ron Attwood wrote:
13 Jan 2021, 07:24
It took some digging to find that one. Nice find. :D
Of course... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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That is a shame Scott, but as stated by others, the fact you and Jake were able to walk away from this is the most important thing. I’m sure you will find a suitable replacement and move forward.
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I'm rather surprised and very sorry to hear that your Aerostar will go to a salvage yard. That's a sad end considering all you've put into it, Scott. I really hope someone rescues it and puts it back in the air, where it should be.

Good luck in your hunt for a replacement, whatever it turns out to be.


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Bummer to hear about this, Scott.
Nonetheless, the good LORD was looking out for both you and Jake. Glad to hear you are both okay, sad to hear the Aerostar will no longer be flying for A2A as a company aircraft. I do hope someone does repair it and keep flying it, as the Aerostar design is a beauty, both on tarmac and in the air, and shouldn't be left to rot. Here's to looking forward, both for you and Jake, and the future of A2A Simulations.
God Bless, and take care.
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I am just glad you and Jake are ok. Look forward to the accusim aerostar.

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Phew! That was a lucky escape! So glad it worked out well for both of you and there was no danger to you both, and the plane survived if a little scratched up.
You guys be careful up there, we don't want to lose you. Busting for A2A in MSFS :)

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:shock: :o im glad you and your son are ok. airplanes can be fixed and or replaced but pilots not so much. and isn't it ironic where you landed the plane? the same place another unfortunate accident took place??? remind me to not go to that airport in RL that place seems cursed for airplanes :shock:
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Re: A2A Aerostar Emergency Landing

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Hi folks!

Just out of couriosity, you wrote that you were worried about a fire landing this emergency with that much fuel on board and even asked a mechanic about that matter. What led you to the decision to not burn that fuel off before landing? Was it about getting dark soon?

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from the looks of the picture the props are ok looking. i just wonder if the plane can be fixed? it will have some paint missing off the belly but it should still be structurally good right?
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Re: A2A Aerostar Emergency Landing

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MaxZ wrote:
29 Jan 2021, 10:40
Hi folks!

Just out of couriosity, you wrote that you were worried about a fire landing this emergency with that much fuel on board and even asked a mechanic about that matter. What led you to the decision to not burn that fuel off before landing? Was it about getting dark soon?

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I don't know if he explained it all here, but on Facebook, they burned off most of the fuel in the wings (if not all) so that wasn't an issue anymore, but the hydraulic problem worsening was what made them want to land because the Aerostar gear stays up by hydraulic pressure. If they lost it all, then the gear would fall and they wouldn't be able to belly land in a controlled fashion.
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Re: A2A Aerostar Emergency Landing

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cessna lover wrote:
29 Jan 2021, 12:23
from the looks of the picture the props are ok looking. i just wonder if the plane can be fixed? it will have some paint missing off the belly but it should still be structurally good right?
Even if they look good, they should be overhauled. The engines on the other hand have to be overhauled. I don't know what the engine times were till TBO but, if the next buyer were to see that a major airframe repair was done, along with two overhauled engines, but no logs of the props being overhauled... some serious questions would be raised if they're even still considering to purchase.

Owning a twin is a costly endeavor. Restoring one is a nightmare. The only thing that makes someone feel better is money and the love of their passions. If Scott and the plane were near to me I'd love to help R&R those engines and props, but my passion for airframe work is next to non-existent :D
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Re: A2A Aerostar Emergency Landing

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Swagger897 wrote:
30 Jan 2021, 18:59
cessna lover wrote:
29 Jan 2021, 12:23
from the looks of the picture the props are ok looking. i just wonder if the plane can be fixed? it will have some paint missing off the belly but it should still be structurally good right?
Even if they look good, they should be overhauled. The engines on the other hand have to be overhauled. I don't know what the engine times were till TBO but, if the next buyer were to see that a major airframe repair was done, along with two overhauled engines, but no logs of the props being overhauled... some serious questions would be raised if they're even still considering to purchase.

Owning a twin is a costly endeavor. Restoring one is a nightmare. The only thing that makes someone feel better is money and the love of their passions. If Scott and the plane were near to me I'd love to help R&R those engines and props, but my passion for airframe work is next to non-existent :D
he didn't mention anything about a manual gear extension. does the Aerostar not have a back up system for the landing gear? that's not good.
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Re: A2A Aerostar Emergency Landing

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cessna lover wrote:
31 Jan 2021, 06:16
Swagger897 wrote:
30 Jan 2021, 18:59
cessna lover wrote:
29 Jan 2021, 12:23
from the looks of the picture the props are ok looking. i just wonder if the plane can be fixed? it will have some paint missing off the belly but it should still be structurally good right?
Even if they look good, they should be overhauled. The engines on the other hand have to be overhauled. I don't know what the engine times were till TBO but, if the next buyer were to see that a major airframe repair was done, along with two overhauled engines, but no logs of the props being overhauled... some serious questions would be raised if they're even still considering to purchase.

Owning a twin is a costly endeavor. Restoring one is a nightmare. The only thing that makes someone feel better is money and the love of their passions. If Scott and the plane were near to me I'd love to help R&R those engines and props, but my passion for airframe work is next to non-existent :D
he didn't mention anything about a manual gear extension. does the Aerostar not have a back up system for the landing gear? that's not good.
As far as I gather, the system is supposed to be "fail safe" in that it should fall down on its own in case the hydraulics that keep it up fail. From the story it appears that something (perhaps a broken assist spring hindering the extension of the cylinder, I don't know) was mechanically holding a leg from lowering, an issue that probably would have prevented any backup gear extension from saving the day.

Most backup gear extensions ("gravity drops") basically simply release the mechanical uplocks, which the Aerostar has none.

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