Should A2A release official trainers even if not "complete" by our standard?

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Should A2A Release Official Trainers even if incomplete?

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Scott - A2A
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Should A2A release official trainers even if not "complete" by our standard?

Post Scott - A2A »

If A2A makes an official trainer for the military that is only partially complete by our standards but is not going to be developed any further, do you think A2A should put this airplane in our store? These projects may never be developed any further or some may be, and this is always up in the air.

We (A2A) have been arguing about this for some time, about releasing airplanes that are partially complete but have something good to offer but are missing some features. The F-104 is one that comes to mind as well.

The idea is we would price these accordingly based on how complete they are.

Please share thoughts, both pros and cons
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Re: Should A2A release official trainers even if not "complete" by our standard?

Post CAPFlyer »

I will echo my comments from Facebook here for completeness. :)

I voted Yes and suggest that A2A bring back/continue the Aircraft Factory brand for this purpose. I thought that was part of the idea originally with AF, so this gives you an opprotunity to bring in some additional revenue for projects you invested a lot of time in but may not be able to complete now or due to a change in situation; but is complete enough to be a viable product. It's not "becoming Carenado" as was suggested on Facebook, it's getting some return on investment that would otherwise be a loss.
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Re: Should A2A release official trainers even if not "complete" by our standard?

Post trucker17 »

I'm kind of on the fence with this question. Having another plane quickly from A2A would be great, but at the same time, i am not sure i would want one that is not up to A2A standards.
Even if you inform everyone that the plane is not complete to your standards, its your companies reputation that could be effected by the outcome.....even under the AF banner....
In any event my money would be their.....
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Re: Should A2A release official trainers even if not "complete" by our standard?

Post SeattleSleeper »

No. While some people would be perfectly fine with the caveats, there is a segment of the users that even if you tell them about the known deficiencies, they will piss and moan about it until they're foaming at the mouth and falling over backwards. Keep your reputation of uncompromising quality. That just my 2 cents worth. :)

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Re: Should A2A release official trainers even if not "complete" by our standard?

Post Gallant0 »

I think it would be case by case for me depending on what is complete vs what isn't complete.

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Post Pilot Lodkins »

just keep with your reputation of Quality!
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Post BonanzaDude »

I honestly think that by releasing a plane that is not up to normal A2A standards, it will hurt the brand in the long run by comments that people make in regards to the issues that happen with the inferior/incomplete products.

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Re: Should A2A release official trainers even if not "complete" by our standard?

Post Medtner »

I voted no.

Your standards are so high that I’d find it disappointing to have a scaled down product.
I would also think that it is bad for marketing - it will be very confusing and messy, not for us “A2A-family members” here on the forum, but for the greater mass of customers. People expect perfection from A2A, and this will muddy the waters.

I say this bursting with hope for an eventual release of fully fledged A2A quality products, but setting aside my own immediate wants/needs I’d prefer you to stay the course and release only what you think is worthy.

To put it bluntly - if I can’t have a proper A2A-F-104 I’d rather not have it at all.
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Post AKar »

I guess that if the changes are that a product would likely not be developed further at least any time soon or possibly at all, it could as well be released as long as it is fairly clear in what is included and what is left out on purpose. And the parts that are included are 'full quality'.

My reasoning is basically: why not? I mean, if the other option is to bury it, or leave it on an eternal back burner with other stuff taking priorities.

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Post chadryan »

I vote no.

Unfortunately regardless of how many disclaimers you add these products will be “reviewed” by many in the flight sim community. I would hate for that to tarnish A2A’s reputation. Stick with the quality we have come to know and love.

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Re: Should A2A release official trainers even if not "complete" by our standard?

Post Ifikratis »

It's not an easy question and I understand why A2A wants to also hear the customer base. My view is that it depends on these details:

If putting on sale a product that is not complete by A2A standards will consume time resources for completing other "complete" A2A planes, then no.

If putting on sale a product that is not complete by A2A standards will not consume time resources for completing other "complete" A2A planes and the price will also be scaled down a bit, then yes, why not. I don't have any doubt that any A2A trainer will offer a great learning possibilities, realistic systems and handling. If what is missing is minimal, it would be a pity to lose the rest of the work. For example the Texan II, looks amazing to me and I wouldn't mind if it was missing some A2A "eye-candy" stuff.

In that case, I can't vote until A2A clarifies what "partially complete" means and if it will slow down the completion of other complete modules.
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Re: Should A2A release official trainers even if not "complete" by our standard?

Post guenseli »

My opinion is a "No"!

A2A stands for high level quality.
Introducing a second (or third) line of products will just confuse.

And I'm sure you will be flooded by comments like "yes, I know it just training versions, but why haven't you implemented XY and Z??!!"
And as a user I would always wonder if that is now a bug or just an incomplete system modelling.

So, keep your standards so that everybody could buy A2A products without thinking! :D

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Re: Should A2A release official trainers even if not "complete" by our standard?

Post DatDudeMIC »

I vote no. I have A2A is the most realistic brand of Small GA Planes for flight Sims. I would hate to see you release a plane that is not up to your standards and then have a bad reputation.
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Re: Should A2A release official trainers even if not "complete" by our standard?

Post Dogsbody55 »

I can't believe I'm saying this, because like many here, I'm always waiting for a new Accu-Sim release, but I voted a big fat NO on this issue. Definitely not to be released as an Accu-Sim product for 2 very important reasons:-

1) I would much rather you concentrate on the next actual Accu-Sim product than waste time trying to develop and support a sub par product. Your releases just get better and better and any new product should at least be as good as the last one.
2) Why dilute your brand?? That way lies the beginning of the end. You've developed a product for the military, and I'm sure they're happy with it (or them), so leave them to it. If these products they can't be brought up to the usual standards, you'll spend far too much time and resources trying to support something that isn't, or can't be made, up to par. This will only tarnish your reputation and perhaps future growth.

I'm always (well, after 6 months from the last release) hoping for a new release, and A2A Accu-Sim is all I fly. I accept that they cost a bit more too. The other stuff isn't involving enough for me to waste my time or money on. I've bought other stuff, but soon got bored with the inaccuracies and lack of character. They all feel the same So I'd much rather wait for a great release than be disappointed by a dud product. Please do what you do best.


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Re: Should A2A release official trainers even if not "complete" by our standard?

Post DHenriquesA2A »

Scott - A2A wrote:
19 Jun 2019, 08:21
If A2A makes an official trainer for the military that is only partially complete by our standards but is not going to be developed any further, do you think A2A should put this airplane in our store? These projects may never be developed any further or some may be, and this is always up in the air.

We (A2A) have been arguing about this for some time, about releasing airplanes that are partially complete but have something good to offer but are missing some features. The F-104 is one that comes to mind as well.

The idea is we would price these accordingly based on how complete they are.

Please share thoughts, both pros and cons
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