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A2A,

Could you possibly incorporate a clear prop audio sound on your next GA release? I feel really stupid when I’m teaching someone to fly on the sim and yelling “Clear” out the window before starting. Lol.

Or am I the only person that thinks this way?

I'm not a RW pilot, but I sometimes open my door and yell "CLEAR PROP" before starting my car....

One add-on which I remember actually included a clear prop sound effect was the ReaAir Citabria/Decathlon/Scout package. Trouble is, the "prop" call happened at pretty much as the same instant that the engine fired, which kind of defeats the point of a warning. In other words, you'd need to map a "clear prop" call to a specific function you triggered before engine start to avoid getting into bad habits.

Besides, authentic real-world yelling uses less code!

Nick

Nick M wrote:One add-on which I remember actually included a clear prop sound effect was the ReaAir Citabria/Decathlon/Scout package. Trouble is, the "prop" call happened at pretty much as the same instant that the engine fired, which kind of defeats the point of a warning. In other words, you'd need to map a "clear prop" call to a specific function you triggered before engine start to avoid getting into bad habits.

Besides, authentic real-world yelling uses less code!

Nick

Actually it's a very good idea and would enhance immersion. It shouldn't be too hard to program this as a key function that could be used manually instead of in the start sequence by the sim pilot. In other words you see the call on your checklist then you must hit the key to get the audible call "Clear Prop!"
I like it both from the immersion AND from the CFI standpoint for training.
I'll copy this to Scott for a possible inclusion in an update.
Dudley Henriques

DHenriquesA2A wrote:

Nick M wrote:One add-on which I remember actually included a clear prop sound effect was the ReaAir Citabria/Decathlon/Scout package. Trouble is, the "prop" call happened at pretty much as the same instant that the engine fired, which kind of defeats the point of a warning. In other words, you'd need to map a "clear prop" call to a specific function you triggered before engine start to avoid getting into bad habits.

Besides, authentic real-world yelling uses less code!

Nick

Actually it's a very good idea and would enhance immersion. It shouldn't be too hard to program this as a key function that could be used manually instead of in the start sequence by the sim pilot. In other words you see the call on your checklist then you must hit the key to get the audible call "Clear Prop!"
I like it both from the immersion AND from the CFI standpoint for training.
I'll copy this to Scott for a possible inclusion in an update.
Dudley Henriques

Ahhh. The possibilities of Accu-Bystander... Realistic modelling of silly people waddling around and, perhaps, into the fan.

Medtner wrote:

DHenriquesA2A wrote:

Nick M wrote:One add-on which I remember actually included a clear prop sound effect was the ReaAir Citabria/Decathlon/Scout package. Trouble is, the "prop" call happened at pretty much as the same instant that the engine fired, which kind of defeats the point of a warning. In other words, you'd need to map a "clear prop" call to a specific function you triggered before engine start to avoid getting into bad habits.

Besides, authentic real-world yelling uses less code!

Nick

Actually it's a very good idea and would enhance immersion. It shouldn't be too hard to program this as a key function that could be used manually instead of in the start sequence by the sim pilot. In other words you see the call on your checklist then you must hit the key to get the audible call "Clear Prop!"
I like it both from the immersion AND from the CFI standpoint for training.
I'll copy this to Scott for a possible inclusion in an update.
Dudley Henriques

Ahhh. The possibilities of Accu-Bystander... Realistic modelling of silly people waddling around and, perhaps, into the fan.

It was for this exact reason that the first official order I issued after taking over a Part 61 operation was a formal notice calling for the company pilots giving passenger rides on week ends to walk in's to completely shut down their engines between rides.
Deplaning and boarding passengers with running engines which had been the practice was a tragedy waiting to happen.
Dudley Henriques

DHenriquesA2A wrote:

Medtner wrote:
Ahhh. The possibilities of Accu-Bystander... Realistic modelling of silly people waddling around and, perhaps, into the fan.

It was for this exact reason that the first official order I issued after taking over a Part 61 operation was a formal notice calling for the company pilots giving passenger rides on week ends to walk in's to completely shut down their engines between rides.
Deplaning and boarding passengers with running engines which had been the practice was a tragedy waiting to happen.
Dudley Henriques

There was a CFI down in Ft Lauderdale exec many years ago, that soloed one of his students. The student's mother had come to the FBO to watch her teenage son solo. When they pulled up to the tie down point on the ramp after the three touch and goes and the CFI climbing back into the cockpit , the mother ran over to congratulate her son, and ran right into the still spinning prop. That CFI never got over that, and committed suicide about a year later. Will always remember that story.
t

bobsk8 wrote:

DHenriquesA2A wrote:

Medtner wrote:
Ahhh. The possibilities of Accu-Bystander... Realistic modelling of silly people waddling around and, perhaps, into the fan.

It was for this exact reason that the first official order I issued after taking over a Part 61 operation was a formal notice calling for the company pilots giving passenger rides on week ends to walk in's to completely shut down their engines between rides.
Deplaning and boarding passengers with running engines which had been the practice was a tragedy waiting to happen.
Dudley Henriques

There was a CFI down in Ft Lauderdale exec many years ago, that soloed one of his students. The student's mother had come to the FBO to watch her teenage son solo. When they pulled up to the tie down point on the ramp after the three touch and goes and the CFI climbing back into the cockpit , the mother ran over to congratulate her son, and ran right into the still spinning prop. That CFI never got over that, and committed suicide about a year later. Will always remember that story.
t

I had a sign over my desk in my flight office for many years that read;
"Some people like to say we learn from our mistakes. Not always so in aviation."
Dudley Henriques

Tomas Linnet wrote:I'm not a RW pilot, but I sometimes open my door and yell "CLEAR PROP" before starting my car....

Shouldn’t you say “Clear hood”?? Lol

I've never seen (yes, heard) anyone shouting "clear prop" in Europe... And I haven't learnt to do so. I was tought to take care of my surroundings. Honestly, this would have to have an on/off button for regional demand

BTW: When you look videos where people shout their "clear prop" and starting the engine a second after... where's the sense? How does anyone know their (front) prop is clear? Below the line it's an insurance thing for the manufacturer to prevent getting sued for millions.. And I really can stay rid of that... There are still some benefits from flying on a simulator

DHenriquesA2A wrote:It was for this exact reason that the first official order I issued after taking over a Part 61 operation was a formal notice calling for the company pilots giving passenger rides on week ends to walk in's to completely shut down their engines between rides.
Deplaning and boarding passengers with running engines which had been the practice was a tragedy waiting to happen.
Dudley Henriques

Years back, as a ground crew member we did hot seating and hot refueling to F-18s. Obviously, everyone was thoroughly briefed and every step was planned in advance (for how long any plan holds in reality anyway). When hot seating, the LH engine was shut down because the integrated ladder under the left leading edge extension was within the intake danger area, RH was left running.

I still remember the slide that was shown as a reminder of the risks. It was a common practice to attach the grounding wire to the grounding point on the center line external fuel tank. This grounding point is immediately in front of the right hand engine intake. Apparently someone somewhere once followed his habits during hot refueling. In the photograph, the grounding wire went into the engine intake from where some blood stains were visible.

I always had shivers when crawling to check the fan blades.

-Esa

MarcE wrote:I've never seen (yes, heard) anyone shouting "clear prop" in Europe... And I haven't learnt to do so. I was tought to take care of my surroundings. Honestly, this would have to have an on/off button for regional demand

BTW: When you look videos where people shout their "clear prop" and starting the engine a second after... where's the sense? How does anyone know their (front) prop is clear? Below the line it's an insurance thing for the manufacturer to prevent getting sued for millions.. And I really can stay rid of that... There are still some benefits from flying on a simulator

You NEVER call "Clear Prop" and start an engine "seconds later". You wait for a response. That wait is the reason for the call. Doing that shows improper training. NOT doing that completely negates the call.
Shouting "clear prop" was never meant to be a magic bullet solution to prevent propeller injury. It's simply a step that provides an added level of prevention. It works. Can't speak for the UK but we use it in the US and I for one highly recommend the practice.
There are literally thousands of recorded incidents where shouting "clear prop" have actually prevented a serious injury, two of those incidents I can recall as a personal experience.
Dudley Henriques

DHenriquesA2A wrote:

MarcE wrote:I've never seen (yes, heard) anyone shouting "clear prop" in Europe... And I haven't learnt to do so. I was tought to take care of my surroundings. Honestly, this would have to have an on/off button for regional demand

BTW: When you look videos where people shout their "clear prop" and starting the engine a second after... where's the sense? How does anyone know their (front) prop is clear? Below the line it's an insurance thing for the manufacturer to prevent getting sued for millions.. And I really can stay rid of that... There are still some benefits from flying on a simulator

You NEVER call "Clear Prop" and start an engine "seconds later". You wait for a response. That wait is the reason for the call. Doing that shows improper training. NOT doing that completely negates the call.
Shouting "clear prop" was never meant to be a magic bullet solution to prevent propeller injury. It's simply a step that provides an added level of prevention. It works. Can't speak for the UK but we use it in the US and I for one highly recommend the practice.
There are literally thousands of recorded incidents where shouting "clear prop" have actually prevented a serious injury, two of those incidents I can recall as a personal experience.
Dudley Henriques

Not calling " clear prop", is dangerous, irresponsible, and frankly stupid.

We certainly do it in the uk. I have noticed a lot of people seem to have forgotten the reason though and say it like it’s some special call out when starting up. I shout it like I’m commanding someone to clear it and I allow for a response. So many use a silly inflection as the pretty much turn the key.
Chris

I think it would be cool to have incorporated but can’t see how it would be done except maybe as a checklist item. I don’t want an independent button for it and don’t want it going off as the prop is turning. As a novelty of a checklist is where it would fit best but only as that a novelty, I’d rather see the code space used for something more important like side loading on landing gear causing them to break or smoke inside the VC during electrical fire