L-049 Connie Update

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jjppxxx
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L-049 Connie Update

Post by jjppxxx »

When I saw Connie it was a love at first sight, although I didn't know the first version of constellation. It is very beautiful, has a good speed, range and is simple to fly ... but is small, less powerful and has less range compared to its later versions.

versions of Constellation:

L-049 (standard version)

L-649

L-749

L-1049

L-1649

The focus would be to update the L-049 and release to the simulator the last two versions of the family: the one with the highest capacity, fame and orders - L-1049; And the one with the longest range - L-1649.

remembering that the L-1049 and L-1649 were very different and had many upgrades compared to the L-049, L-649 and L-749:

"Later modifications included strengthened landing gear and larger vertical stabilizers. Eastern Air Lines ordered 10 aircraft, while Trans World Airlines (TWA) followed with an order for 14. The L-1049 had some 550 improvements and modifications compared to the L-749, including greater fuel capacity, rectangular windows, larger cockpit windshields and improved heating and pressurization.

In 1953, R-3350 Turbo-compounds were made available for civil use. Lockheed incorporated them into the L-1049C, which first flew on February 17 of that year. The R-3350-972-TC18DA-1 turbo-compound engines on the L-1049C had a new turbine system, the Power Recovery Turbines (PRT). Each engine's exhaust gas flowed through three turbines, increasing power by 550 hp (410 kW). The L-1049C had a higher cruising speed and climb rate. Although lacking the range of the DC-6B, the L-1049C had identical performance to the Douglas and could carry a larger payload. The wings of the new model were strengthened, cabin soundproofing was increased, and the landing gear retraction system was improved. A new series of interior layouts was offered for the new model; "Siesta" (47 passengers with increased luxury), "Intercontinental" (54 - 60 passengers) and "Inter-urban" (105 passengers). Each of these new layouts included reading lights at each seat. Forty-eight L-1049Cs were built and used throughout america"

By Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_ ... stellation

The release of A2A Super Constellation can could compete with Just Flight's DC-6 and PMDG, as the Super Constellation "had a higher cruising speed and climb rate. Although lacking the range of the DC-6B, the L-1049C had identical performance to the Douglas and could carry a larger payload "

Taking advantage of the fact that A2A already has the base model of constellation and all the codes and gauges can be used in this update and save time and labor. After a few years, it might be good to launch an improved Connie and get all players interested in this new product.

"Upgrading is the key to growing and arousing people's interest in your products." Thanks.
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alan CXA651
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Re: L-049 Connie Update

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Hi.
A2A decided to do the L049 as it was the first of its type , they have stated that they dont have any intention of doing the later variants , but things can change , i would definatly buy them if they did them.
As for PMDG`s DC6 , it is the short range variant they do not the longer range , i have found that i can fly further with A2A L049 than the PMDG DC6 , plus PMDG have not rectified the errors on this aircraft and the DC6 engineer ruins the engines so dont use him.
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Re: L-049 Connie Update

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yup, the DC-6 is not PMDG's brightest star but neither is the Connie for A2A. It's certainly a nice aircraft and well modelled regarding its systems. but this COTS addition desperately needs attention. As a non-native English speaker it's nearly impossible to understand many of the crew or FO calls on the first and only attempt, all above if ATC talks or your children scream. Also the "rules and restrictions" that come with COTS are - expressed friendly - not the most realistic approach. This aircraft has a pressurized cabin, nobody cares if you descend at 2000fpm. And certainly nobody would notice if your tank dropped below 10%. And I'm not a hero if I manage to land the airplane safely after the tank ends up below 10% :P There's a lot of stuff that really bothers me and I only fly it with COTS deactivated. It misses the point that way but I don't want to apologize to the judge everytime I don't understand the FO/FE.

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Re: L-049 Connie Update

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MarcE wrote: 29 Dec 2019, 11:04 yup, the DC-6 is not PMDG's brightest star but neither is the Connie for A2A. It's certainly a nice aircraft and well modelled regarding its systems. but this COTS addition desperately needs attention. As a non-native English speaker it's nearly impossible to understand many of the crew or FO calls on the first and only attempt, all above if ATC talks or your children scream. Also the "rules and restrictions" that come with COTS are - expressed friendly - not the most realistic approach. This aircraft has a pressurized cabin, nobody cares if you descend at 2000fpm. And certainly nobody would notice if your tank dropped below 10%. And I'm not a hero if I manage to land the airplane safely after the tank ends up below 10% :P There's a lot of stuff that really bothers me and I only fly it with COTS deactivated. It misses the point that way but I don't want to apologize to the judge everytime I don't understand the FO/FE.
Being a non-native english speaking person too, I have no troubles understanding what is being said.

Also Your point about the pressurisation system is not true. The pressurisation system is very well modelled and has the same limitations as in real life.
You might compare it with modern days jet engined aircraft, where You have more than adequite compressed air from the jet engines. On the L049 the only compressed air supply for the pressurisation system comes from the turbo chargers and thus needs the engines to run at certain parameters in order to give the required air pressure for pressurisation.

While there definitly can be found some quirks with the COTS simulation of passengers and crews, I find that what has been done to increase the immersion, is outstanding and expresses some out of the box thinking from the A2A team.

I was really disappointed by the DC-6B, made by "another" development team, cause it didn´t come close to the level of combustion engine simulation that we see with both the A2A Stratocruiser and the Constellation, something I had expected from that team.

In the end I think that classic prop airliners is a niche within flightsimming, simply because they require s very different level of skill from the flightsimmer. This includes proper underrstanding of how to operate these rather complex engines, but also proper and realistic navigation, depicting the navigation tools used by that time period.
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Re: L-049 Connie Update

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wothan wrote: 04 Jan 2020, 11:12

Also Yout point about the pressurisation system is not true. The pressurisation system is very well modelled and has the same limitations as in real life.
You might compare it with modern days jet engined aircraft, where You have more that adequite compressed air from the jet engines. On the L049 the only compressed air supply for the pressurisation system comes from the turbo charges and thus needs the engines to run at certain parameters in order to give the required air pressure for pressurisation.

While the definitly can be found some quirks with the COTS simulation of passengers and crews, I find that what has been done to increase the immersion, is outstanding and expresse some out of the box thinking from the A2A team.
Fair point I think. I admit I haven't thought about that.

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Re: L-049 Connie Update

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I fully support the idea of A2A developping L-1049G and/or L1649A versions of the Connie.
These ultimate versions are really outstanding !
They could be marketed by A2A as "extensions" of the basic version.
No question, I would buy them :)

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Re: L-049 Connie Update

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MarcE wrote: 29 Dec 2019, 11:04 yup, the DC-6 is not PMDG's brightest star but neither is the Connie for A2A. It's certainly a nice aircraft and well modelled regarding its systems. but this COTS addition desperately needs attention. As a non-native English speaker it's nearly impossible to understand many of the crew or FO calls on the first and only attempt, all above if ATC talks or your children scream. Also the "rules and restrictions" that come with COTS are - expressed friendly - not the most realistic approach. This aircraft has a pressurized cabin, nobody cares if you descend at 2000fpm. And certainly nobody would notice if your tank dropped below 10%. And I'm not a hero if I manage to land the airplane safely after the tank ends up below 10% :P There's a lot of stuff that really bothers me and I only fly it with COTS deactivated. It misses the point that way but I don't want to apologize to the judge everytime I don't understand the FO/FE.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Personally, I hate the COTS part of the simulation, but it seems to embedded into the other 'realistic' features of the aircraft. To be honest most of the time I just simulate the weight of passengers by adding cargo, so that I don't get any annoying passenger sound effects. If I had more time I'd find all the pax sounds and edit them to just be silent. Especially annoying is the crying baby, I've flown in a few vintage aircraft, and there is no way the pilot is hearing that at the volume it is presented in the COTS simulation.

I would hugely welcome an option to disable the 'cabin simulation' part of the experience. I know some love it, but others truly detest it.

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Re: L-049 Connie Update

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Hi.
Vintage aircraft pressurisation is not as efficiant as modern systems , just keep decent at 1000fpm till you get to about 1000 -800 ft then reduce decent to 500fpm no screeming baby , i have no issues with a2a conni except the fuel percent issue , i think its to high at 10% , i would like to see this changed from any tank to total fuel on board at about 5%--10%.
regards alan. 8)
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Re: L-049 Connie Update

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I haven't flown the Connie in a while, but I flew it a lot once upon a time.

I usually do a very leisurely descent so I seldom hear the baby cry.

I've had problems understand some of the spoken dialog and I would be nice if we could have a closed captioning service for it. It would need to be assembled at the same time as the sound files are put together as that's the only time the system knows exactly what is being said.

As for the fuel situation, I agree. It should happen at some percentage of overall fuel, not when one tank gets below 10% or whatever the criteria currently is.

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Re: L-049 Connie Update

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i've looked many times to do something like this.....but i'm not able to find any 'trigger' or 'varible' for any of it....or sound files....nothing.

:idea: A small window with some written readable text would suffice

:idea: Would be nice to be able to trigger the meal service aswell....she keeps serving meals on decent! :evil:

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maddz wrote: 25 Mar 2020, 07:36 :idea: Would be nice to be able to trigger the meal service aswell....she keeps serving meals on decent! :evil:
I usually turn meal service off if it looks like she's going to prepare and serve meals during descent.

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Re: L-049 Connie Update

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It appears to be an update for Connie installed in P3Dv4. Where is the Connie new update FSX version? The update is from November 1, 2020 just for P3Dv4
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Re: L-049 Connie Update

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Would also love to see an updated version. Also - it seems that COTS is waaay to aggressive about having you arrested, and the L-049 connie is frankly kinda ugly. It's just miss-proportioned. The later short-body connies (L-649 and L-749) look much nicer, kind of like fish. The super cnnnies look like graceful birds.

Also - when I suggested this a few years ago, A2A stated that in reality the engine coding would have to start over for a late-model turbo-compound R-3350, and the 3d model would have to be from the ground up as well - the later versions were basically now aircraft to the same design, rather than simple stretches.

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Re: L-049 Connie Update

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How about a “Repeat Last” button like we have in the Shift+3 window in the B-17?

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