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maddz
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Cowl flaps open?

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alan CXA651 wrote: 31 Mar 2020, 01:18 Hi trisho0.
With regards to auxillary pumps on/off.
Page126 item 13 of the takeoff chart under engineer aux pumps check they are ON
page128 item 4 of the climb chart under engineer aux pumps OFF if main pumps maintain pressure of 16lbs or more

Also after takeoff , clean the aircraft up ie gear and flaps up , reduce the props rpm needles 12 oclock then throttle power manifold needles 12 oclock climb rate to 500fpm .
this should prevent blowing your engines up , also as the aircraft excellerates down the runway , the RPM/BMP can exceed the max , so you need to monitor these during all phases of flight and adjust throttles/props to keep them within limits else you damage the engines.
regards alan. 8)
Dear Alan, This is better than a tutorial PDF file. Punch of many thanks. I will try this procedure thanks to your professional help.

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alan CXA651 wrote: 31 Mar 2020, 01:18 Hi trisho0.
With regards to auxillary pumps on/off.
Page126 item 13 of the takeoff chart under engineer aux pumps check they are ON
page128 item 4 of the climb chart under engineer aux pumps OFF if main pumps maintain pressure of 16lbs or more

Also after takeoff , clean the aircraft up ie gear and flaps up , reduce the props rpm needles 12 oclock then throttle power manifold needles 12 oclock climb rate to 500fpm .
this should prevent blowing your engines up , also as the aircraft excellerates down the runway , the RPM/BMP can exceed the max , so you need to monitor these during all phases of flight and adjust throttles/props to keep them within limits else you damage the engines.
regards alan. 8)
I think I was be able to get the Connie on airborne nice flying. But I couldn't keep RPM needles at 12'clock position because by applying throttles a bit high enough to climb, the RPM increases as well. I had to trim up to be steady flying straight. I did take-off from KSEA and landed in a near small airport. After landed I taxi to the runway and did another take-off. After take-off the Connie Stall and smoking again. Maybe I was excited trying to land back to KSEA airport.

Connie doesn't use GPS?

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Hi trisho0.
The connie was before GPS was thought of , so in real life the navigation was done old style.
But A2A gave the option to have a GPS fitted on the glareshield use shift+3 and there you can select or deselect the GPS , connie manual page105.
As for blowing your engines up , check ALL the gauges ALL the time to make sure everything is in limits , there is a lot to look at , while you are learning this aircraft , have the engineer activated , so you can concentrate on the rest of the aircraft , ie all three buttons at bottom of the page on shift+3.
link to my training videos on the conni viewtopic.php?f=133&t=58003
regards alan. 8)
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alan CXA651 wrote: 31 Mar 2020, 23:58 Hi trisho0.
The connie was before GPS was thought of , so in real life the navigation was done old style.
But A2A gave the option to have a GPS fitted on the glareshield use shift+3 and there you can select or deselect the GPS , connie manual page105.
As for blowing your engines up , check ALL the gauges ALL the time to make sure everything is in limits , there is a lot to look at , while you are learning this aircraft , have the engineer activated , so you can concentrate on the rest of the aircraft , ie all three buttons at bottom of the page on shift+3.
link to my training videos on the conni viewtopic.php?f=133&t=58003
regards alan. 8)
Cool! I will watch your movies training. ThAnKsssssooooo Much!

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2 engines burnt on airborne.
While this accident happened I had a sim message:

Flying Tip:
Your engine is losing power because the mixture is not leaned correctly.
To complete this action , press CRTL + X

Something I did wrong but don't know what? The RPM gauges showed their needles right at 12:00 O'clock position.
The mixture commands were all 4 positioned correctly otherwise the engines won't run right? Or, any more ideas to try?

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Hi trisho0.
1/. Did you follow the A2A settings recomendations within FSX/P3D , A2A L049 manual page 81 with regards to auto mixture UNTICKED
2/. What altitude was the airport you was taking of from , while i got used to the connie , i used KBUR and KBFI which are low altitude airfields , KBUR i chose for the very reason the connie was made and did its maiden flight from there and KBFI was chosen for its long runway , which the connie does not need for takeoff , but if a problem developed near v2 , i had room to bring it saftly to a halt on the ground ie aborted takeoff.
3/. do not attempt high alt airfields till you get used to the connie , these high alt airfields present a lot of different problems , and you need to be very familiar and confident with the aircraft before attempting them.
regards alan. 8)
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alan CXA651 wrote: 02 Apr 2020, 00:26 Hi trisho0.
1/. Did you follow the A2A settings recomendations within FSX/P3D , A2A L049 manual page 81 with regards to auto mixture UNTICKED
2/. What altitude was the airport you was taking of from , while i got used to the connie , i used KBUR and KBFI which are low altitude airfields , KBUR i chose for the very reason the connie was made and did its maiden flight from there and KBFI was chosen for its long runway , which the connie does not need for takeoff , but if a problem developed near v2 , i had room to bring it saftly to a halt on the ground ie aborted takeoff.
3/. do not attempt high alt airfields till you get used to the connie , these high alt airfields present a lot of different problems , and you need to be very familiar and confident with the aircraft before attempting them.
regards alan. 8)
1) A2A setting has correct Mixture are not activated, I remember the A2A installer recomended to deactivate the Auto Micture settings and the setup did such change automatically.
2) I was intended to keep climbing at 5K AGL from KFLL. I don't get troubles yet on take-off yet.

3) I will give a takeoff from the suggested ICAO's and keep practicing until get it.

Many thanks for your so great Help!

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Hi trisho0.
Your welcome , practice is what you need to master any A2A aircraft , may i also suggest till you master the aircraft , to fly with career mode off if not already doing so, it makes it a bit easier on learners of this aircraft shift+3 for this career mode on/off.
regards alan.
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alan CXA651 wrote: 02 Apr 2020, 07:31 Hi trisho0.
Your welcome , practice is what you need to master any A2A aircraft , may i also suggest till you master the aircraft , to fly with career mode off if not already doing so, it makes it a bit easier on learners of this aircraft shift+3 for this career mode on/off.
regards alan.
Dear Alan, Good idea with career mode Off for learning. I am still burning engines and now for no reasons (apparently). I will keep practicing. Thanks again.

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Since I have fs9, FSX (SP2), P3Dv4.5 and X-Plane11 (my sim collection) I decided to continuing learning A2A L-049 Connie in FSX. From P3Dv4.5 the plane fired all 4 engines on airborne.
I tried with FSX loading the Connie in KBUR airport. After take off the plane fired one engine and I saw a little unknown airport so I landed on that runway to save the passengers life and myself. Lucky Bird no passengers were on flight (lol).
What happen with the engine? Also, too many times flying tips regarding on mixture. I think the mixture is in Auto. I did a 5 Star movie here it goes …

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TYkDUQ ... sp=sharing

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The engines are failing both because they're overheating and you're leaving RPM's high. You don't have the flight engineer live so you're going to need to open the cowl flaps yourself, you took off with them closed. The engineer reported the engines were overheating about 3/4 of the way down the runway.

RPM needs to be pulled back pretty quickly after you initially leave the ground. You reduced manifold pressure but not RPM. You don't want to run the engines continuously with RPM higher than the green band on the tach.

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AviationAtWar wrote: 02 Apr 2020, 15:44 The engines are failing both because they're overheating and you're leaving RPM's high. You don't have the flight engineer live so you're going to need to open the cowl flaps yourself, you took off with them closed. The engineer reported the engines were overheating about 3/4 of the way down the runway.

RPM needs to be pulled back pretty quickly after you initially leave the ground. You reduced manifold pressure but not RPM. You don't want to run the engines continuously with RPM higher than the green band on the tach.
I pull RPM down by moving the Throttles down and I can see from RPM Gauges the needles going down and stay at 12:00 Clock position. From the RPM gauge I see the needles were always on the green band.
The flight engineer was live all the time I guess, he didn't? I did takeoff I think the cowl flaps were open since the beginning by default?. Does it closes itself?
I will fly again looking at RPM gauge and all the recommendations here. I will give another flight again.

Thanks so much ...

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The throttles control manifold pressure, you're reducing manifold pressure but not engine RPM. The RPM momentary contact switch on the center pedestal controls engine RPM. This arrow points to the prop RPM control:

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Here you can see your RPM's are still at or near full RPM. You need to pull back to a maximum of 2,400 RPM shortly after leaving the ground. The green band ends at 2,400.

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You didn't have the flight engineer active. Here are the buttons to press to make his different functions happen.

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This shows your cowl flaps were still closed because you didn't open them yourself and weren't using the flight engineer.

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AviationAtWar wrote: 02 Apr 2020, 16:32 The throttles control manifold pressure, you're reducing manifold pressure but not engine RPM. The RPM momentary contact switch on the center pedestal controls engine RPM. This arrow points to the prop RPM control:

Here you can see your RPM's are still at or near full RPM. You need to pull back to a maximum of 2,400 RPM shortly after leaving the ground. The green band ends at 2,400.

You didn't have the flight engineer active. Here are the buttons to press to make his different functions happen.

This shows your cowl flaps were still closed because you didn't open them yourself and weren't using the flight engineer.
Pic1. I will see right after leaving ground I will turn RPM switches Off.
Pic2. I didn't know that. Do I have to fly with FE active? Or, I can just open cowls by myself before take-off? When to close them?
Pic 3. I learned that now already.

Thanks even more .....

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