Wondering about realism with the ignition and fuel system

[CJmodiano]

I'm just wondering how deep the simulation goes with certain aspects of the airplane. I'm hoping this airplane will be a good training tool not only for flying, but also for other important procedures like starting a flooded or vapor locked engine. Can I purposely flood an engine in this plane, and then get it started with the modified starting procedure? How about the mag check... I skip a lot of stuff on the checklists when I sim fly, because I know the mags will be absolutely fine, but with this A2A aircraft, can I foul the plugs if I never lean in the climb, or taxi around at full rich on a 105 degree day? These are the types of things that I'm hoping for that will make this the ultimate training tool for myself, being a real pilot and future CFI in a 172R and SP.

[sdflyer]

Hi CJ,
That kind of thing would not help you to become a CFI. CFI is all about teaching not about flying ( they assume that you know how to fly already by the time you get signed off for CFI initial) However, you can practice to explain how things work. A2a would be great visual aid.

[CJmodiano]

No no no no, that's not at all what I meant. If I was depending on FSX to help me become a CFI, I'd never make it. I do not intend to use this aircraft as a student training device either. My point is I fly a 172 every day, and personally, for myself, I just want an airplane that's very similar so I can play around and torture it in a way I never would in real life, such as flying overweight, flying with a messed up CG, intentionally flooding the engine, flying with low oil, just fun stuff that I wouldn't do in real life.

[sdflyer]

Well you are aware of things already, and that is pretty good!

[Bruce Hamilton]

...just fun stuff that I wouldn't do in real life.

If you wouldn't do it in real life, why would you want to in the simulator? Just because you can trash a simulated aircraft and replace it with a single mouse click, or nosedive into a mountain and walk away unscathed doesn't mean you should. Bad habits tend to follow you around.

[CJmodiano]

Not true, there's really only a 40% chance I'll try flying an actual 172 upside down. (<--that's a joke. You guys are serious as a heart attack)

But anywho, back to the actual question, it would be cool if you could flood or foul this airplane. Anybody from A2A care to chime in?

[Tigerclaw]

You're not doing yourself any favours here you know. Scott is really touchy about his babies, and if you're telling him you're gonna "torture" one of 'em, he won't sell you one LMAO. He may even BAN you for life LOL

[Lewis - A2A]

Yes as with all the Accu-sim aircraft they can be fouled etc. However at this time there is no 'press this button' to fail in this and that. So you must manually ruin the aircraft yourself.

[Mig_Driver]

Will the circuit breakers all be functional? If not I wouldn't blame you because that would be a mountain of code in and of itself.

[JoeS475]

If you wouldn't do it in real life, why would you want to in the simulator?

Geez, lighten up. Have you ever flown one of your sim planes dangerously low over terrain, or even (dare I ask) had fun with FSX? Have you ever, heaven forbid, landed at an international airport without ATC clearance in a sim?

There is nothing wrong with using a simulator to explore situations we wouldn't, shouldn't or couldn't do in real life. That is kind of one of the main points....

BTW, I absolutely wouldn't fly a P-51 in real life. Does that mean I shouldn't want to in the simulator?

Kindest regards,

Joe

[Tigerclaw]

What's "ATC"? I thought I had everything, planes, helicopters, and a shed load of scenery with land class and mesh, but I haven't got "ATC" in my sim. What is it, and where do I get it?

[Scott - A2A]

We have not coded flooding and vapor lock. These are natural progessions however, but we need to make sure all new features are thoroughly researched and tested before implementing. The framework however is already there. Scott.

[flyboy4612]

I get where CJmodiano is going with his post. The kind of "What if you actually did this wrong for real, how would the airplane react" sort of thing.

I'm curious myself to try flying the C-172 with improper weight and balance. I'm always very careful about this when I fly the C-172 for real but I'd be interested to see how it handles when it's done wrong. And it's not to say any of us would try this and use it as real world fact but it should give us a pretty good idea of what it would look/feel like.

[CJmodiano]

Exactly, thank you. It helps you answer "what ifs," similar to practicing partial panel approaches. Anything that can help me understand my airplane better is a useful training tool for me, in the air and on the ground. I've never had to start a vapor locked engine, so it would have been cool to practice that, and I'd like to see how the plane would fly with a fouled plug, and so on. This is something I would not do in the real world, purposely taking off with an under powered engine.. I don't know why the thought was so shocking to people. This forum is called "C171 Trainer." I only mentioned a future goal of becoming a CFI as giving a further reason for me to want to understand my plane as well as possibly.

[Neon]

I'm just wondering how deep the simulation goes with certain aspects of the airplane. I'm hoping this airplane will be a good training tool not only for flying, but also for other important procedures like starting a flooded or vapor locked engine. Can I purposely flood an engine in this plane, and then get it started with the modified starting procedure? How about the mag check... I skip a lot of stuff on the checklists when I sim fly, because I know the mags will be absolutely fine, but with this A2A aircraft, can I foul the plugs if I never lean in the climb, or taxi around at full rich on a 105 degree day? These are the types of things that I'm hoping for that will make this the ultimate training tool for myself, being a real pilot and future CFI in a 172R and SP.

In the training video, Scott shows plug fouling can occur. This is something they planned to add, and with the support
from Champion (real spark plug maker) they have added it, along with the Massive and Fine variants of plugs, and yes
they can be fouled. Don't know about vapour lock.