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rogeroger
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To my eyes, the difference in your water choices are pretty subtle.
I like them all but there is a noticeable difference in how they blend with H's shore: #4 blends the best but for
some subjective reason #2 gets my nod.
Howzit Hellcat

I've just got back to my Bob2 install and noticed the shoreline mismatch with the lighter water texture. The same problem applies to the recent alt water texture upload. I've edited the blendmap file for the no.2 texture as well as for the alternate low water texture so they should now match.


Place the blendmap file in your Imagemap16 folder after backing up your current blendmap.dds file


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no.2 link:https://www.mediafire.com/file/v78zfvnv ... ap.7z/file

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alt water texture link:https://www.mediafire.com/file/gkkjq74z ... ap.7z/file

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A small update to my aircraft reflections mod which might be a bit better. http://www.mediafire.com/file/85rrk23d3 ... 1.zip/file

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I've made some un-targeted dives into producing aircraft texture editing templates for the multi-skin BF109s which can facilitate detailed colour editing. I've no ambition to mod all of them but have 18 templates representing about 10% of the total so far. Difficult due to the number and variety among other things. Also many of the stock skins look generally fine to me even with recent more saturated ground textures https://www.mediafire.com/file/85rrk23d ... 1.zip/file. No actual edited skins just yet.

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I've completed the multiskin clod texture reskinning of all aircraft except the 109. I decided to wait and see the results of your work.
You hadn't posted for a while, so I decided to start my own re-texturing of the 109 based on one restoration and il2clod screenshot colours. I've completed 50 skins thus far and decided to take a break lest I go insane.
I'm currently creating a summer terrain for my cfs2 bob install using martins summer fields and google images of french fields. When this is done I'll probably resume work on the 109 textures . I'll give your templates a try. I'm sure they will speed up the process.
I've developed a healthy respect for the artist who created the multiskin textures.

ORIGINAL COLOURS
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BOB 109E4 RESTORATION
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CLOD SCREENIE RESKIN DEFAULT SKIN
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TWO OF THE 50 MULTISKIN 109 EDITS THAT I HAVE COMPLETED.
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Very impressive artistry there!

I'm clear in my own mind, for whatever that's worth, that the 'factory fresh and then some' finish of restored warbirds, however well researched and practical for such aircraft, is not an ideal goal. I tend to think the BoB2 'original' rendition of 71/02/65 leaves little to be desired, in terms of its depiction of a service aircraft. The CloD version looks too clean and too high contrast, perhaps too lacking in what a modeller would call 'scale effect'. Even if it could be argued that CloD's renditions of 02 and 71 are a bit better than BoB2's. One of those things modellers will argue about forever.

Your first pic of 'Erika' (the 'CloD screenie reskin defaut skin', double chevron+bar) looks like that - too clean and high-contrast, being CloD-cloned for want of a better term.

Your second pic of 'Erika' is I think a significant improvement on CloD and probably BoB2 also. To my eye, it looks significantly better than double chevron+bar (though you may now tell me the colours are exactly the same!). But to me, the colours look somewhat less intense and therefore less unreal. And probably somewhat better depictions of 71 and 02 that stock BoB2.

If - if - the JG2 machine's uppers represent 70/71, then the lighter colour (71) should be the same shade and tone as the darker colour on the earlier machine (in 71/02/65).

As for the RAF, FWIW I think BoB2's dull, washed-out stock (2.13) rendition of 'sand and spinach' is WAY better than CloD's, which to my eye looks like something they would instead have called 'soil and spinach', or something less polite.
SimHQ Battle of Britain II screenshots thread: http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4481941/1
CombatAce Mission Reports: https://combatace.com/forums/forum/307-mission-reports/

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It's difficult with the passage of time to know what these aircraft really looked like. I'm not sure if it was on a documentary or in one of the books I read on the period, where it was it was stated that colours weren't all that standardised due to the fact that paint mixtures weren't always the same and that squadrons basically used what they could get their hands on.

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rogeroger wrote: 06 Jun 2019, 10:02 It's difficult with the passage of time to know what these aircraft really looked like.

Several years ago I came across this amazing page which shows a detailed chart of Luftwaffe paint colours. It is compiled from books published by the leading experts on the subject during the last sixty years or so.
The colours aren't based on guesswork but on luftwaffe paint charts and actual paint samples provided by the original manufacturers and included in the books. [They must have cost whoever compiled this page a fortune.]
The chart includes variants for each colour according to authors. Hope all you skinners find it useful.

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/enc ... olors.html

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Fantastic find ShadowShooter, thanks for this.

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Ditto rogeroger and super pics. As mentioned I've been struggling to add more solid colours to some of the stock skins. Not aiming to enhance the historical authenticity as I don’t have the knowledge. Only 18 done, so a bit hard to find and in particular hard to fly outside of the campaign. So I made two versions, one with an orange cross under the right wing to identify the the modded skins and another set without it.

with wing marker:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/pe9pcq1g1 ... d.zip/file

regular skin:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/rpwp75z1a ... d.zip/file

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A note of caution about that online paint chart.

I doubt a PC monitor is an ideal platform for that sort of thing. For example, I have in front of me as I type this the source used for the column in the online chart that is headed 'Smith et al 1979'. From the 'References' listed at bottom, the source is obviously 'The Modeller's Luftwaffe Painting Guide' by Smith, Pentland and Lutz (which is a single, supplementary book published to summarise and update the three previous Kookaburra volumes 'Luftwaffe Camouflage and Markings 1935-45', of which I have vols 2 & 3).

The Luftwaffe Modeller's Painting Guide contains a separate card chart of thirty colour chips and while some of the colours in the book's chart - said to require 'thirty special color mixings plus thirty separate applications on the one sheet' - are close to the those in the relevant column of that online chart, many look very different indeed.
SimHQ Battle of Britain II screenshots thread: http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4481941/1
CombatAce Mission Reports: https://combatace.com/forums/forum/307-mission-reports/

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Boreas, nice skins, nice solid colours. :)

33lima3, thanks for the book title. I downloaded a pdf version off the net, a scanned old copy. 70 appears more like a shade of grey, though this may be due to the age of the book. I'm creating an il2clod themed skinpack and the variations in 109 skins makes it impossible to create them from clod screenshots. My attempts at editing the existing multiskin textures is purely to match them to the clod palette. I do prefer the more solid clod colours, they seem more realistic to my eye, authentic colours notwithstanding.

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The Kookaburra 70 is a bit toneless on the original card too, but compared to the schwarzgrau 66 to its left, definitely has some green in there somewhere. For sim skins, some 'scale effect' is clearly needed, and all those colours, however accurate they may be, would need toned down when not applied to a full-size aircraft, and then weathered on top. Sim skins are more like scale models in that respect, and for the latter I was happy to use the Hannant's Extracolor range, which I see is still in full production: https://www.hannants.co.uk/manufacturer ... r/products Apart from interior colours they come in gloss finish for better application of waterslide decals, being designed for a coat of matt or satin varnish on top. With that coat toning them down a tad, I liked their colours for 1/72 models. I still have several of their tinlets in my modelling toolbox, not opened for over 15 years.

The restored White 14 looks too shiny and factory fresh and the CloD 109s, while not so shiny, look a bit too like that for my taste. I know the Luftwaffe supposedly used a semi-gloss finish but some pics trotted out to show that are a bit dodgy (like that Jagdgruppe 50 pilot leaning on the tailplane of his white-tailed Gustav, which, that unit being intended to catch Mosquitos, was quite likely polished, as Heinz Knoke records was done to his one of his 100Gs). Apart from some certainly somewhat shiny examples, most 'in service' pics as you will have seen show 109s and other German types looking about as matt and scruffy as their RAF counterparts, whose finish Michael JF Bowyer describes as 'very rough when touched, thick and very matt so that the aeroplanes gave the impression of being very badly finished' ('RAF Camouflage of WW2', Airfix/PSL 1975).

The Heinkels in BoB2+BDG2.13 do look a bit light in tone, to me; otherwise, I think the stock multi-skins are up to the very best standards of the best-finished plastic kits, and a tribute to those who produced them, a hard act to follow.
SimHQ Battle of Britain II screenshots thread: http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4481941/1
CombatAce Mission Reports: https://combatace.com/forums/forum/307-mission-reports/

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A small mod to improve the tiger's head emblem used in the sim for Jagdgeschwader 26 II Gruppe. http://www.mediafire.com/file/j44x6fd0i ... d.zip/file

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Got it, thanks! Looks a lot better - I like my Tigers yellow :)
SimHQ Battle of Britain II screenshots thread: http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4481941/1
CombatAce Mission Reports: https://combatace.com/forums/forum/307-mission-reports/

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Cheers and thanks for your combat reports 33Lima3. I noticed some recent WWII MKII .303 Browning Test videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQeQDrqBxYE and thought I might be able to mangle the audio somewhat for an RAF sound mod :) http://www.mediafire.com/file/zlyaj543c ... 8.zip/file

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