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This one's causing a little consternation on the professional forums

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... yU2NA#t=0s

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"Only birds and fools fly and even the birds don't fly at night"

things are done a little different in eastern europe

Not that different. Even Russians think that was excessive They don't think much of Aeroflots press release either.

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"Only birds and fools fly and even the birds don't fly at night"

What did it say?

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Official response from Aeroflot regarding the video (translated from Russian):

"Dear custumer! We were given an explanation by the deputy director of Flight Operations and Director of the Department Mr. I.Chalik and the head of the management of aviation safety Mr. A.Koldunov. No violations have been made and it is clear from the video. The snow was instantly blown away by the flux of air, which clearly indicates the lack of effect on the aerodynamics and flight safety. Safety is our top priority!"

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"Only birds and fools fly and even the birds don't fly at night"

Wow. That's not very responsible.

If something happens, it's going to be on Aeroflot, not Airbus.

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Wow, my sphincter is still wiggling like a bunny's nose after watching that. I guess this crew just shrugged and said "Bug a couple of extra knots on Vr and wait a bit on the flaps".

Yep I don't see much wrong. Snow blew off and the wing was clean after. It was just a layer of light snow on the wing, nothing more. Take another look, you can see a patch that they uncovered before take off.

Something that was tough to me in College, and so very true. There is three ways of doing things in aviation. The right way, the wrong way, and the Northern Way. Aeroflot operates in the Northern Way.

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If people saw some of the conditions that planes took off in Fairbanks, many people may be alarmed. As long as there is not necessarily structural icing that is detected, I don't particularly see an issue.

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Altough I don't know the regulations of Russian aviation, those for commercial aviation in the United States and Europe are very clear in this. The Airbus De-icing system could not clear the wings with that much snow, altough they probably tested this before takeoff, it still seems not right.

FAA, ICAO, and EASA rules on deicing are almost identical. The only real difference is that EASA/ICAO has slightly more stringent timers on Type IV (anti-icing) fluid application. Both are the same though - no accumulation of contamination can be on the flight surfaces prior to takeoff without Type IV fluid having been applied. There is no evidence of Type IV fluid on the wings both from the lack of color (green) and the way the contamination departs the aircraft.

Additionally, not all of the contamination departs the aircraft. I've seen a lot of Airbus wings, and deiced a bunch of them too. The flaps still have at least 1/8" of contamination on them and the area above the canoes have almost 1/2" of contamination. Additionally, there is still at least 1/8" of contamination over the fuel tanks.

What they did was illegal had it been done in Europe, North America, most of Asia, or Oceania plain and simple.

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Thanks for that info CAPFlyer. So Russia doesn't adhere to making sure there isn't standing contamination on the aircraft/control surfaces.

For some reason I had always thought this was closer to the aircraft operating instruction side of things.

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I don't know what Russia's rules are. I only know what countries that base their regulations off the FAA/EASA "standard" (which is most of what ICAO's regs are) have in their de-icing regulations. Russia, while an ICAO signatory, has its own non-EASA affiliated regulatory agency and has separate certification and regulation of its aviation industry and airspace. This sets up an odd situation where some things are the same as with the FAA and EASA and others aren't. Even more odd is that on some things the FAA and EASA accept the Russian Ministry of Aviation certifications but on other things don't and require separate testing and certification of those items/systems/aircraft.

Also, they're odd on what they do and don't release as far as regulations, so I haven't been able to find their deicing regulations to see if they're the same or not. It's kinda like with their certification for aircraft. I was able to get the provisional Type Certificate for the Sukhoi Superjet about a year ago from them, but they have yet to send me the "final" Type Certificate. Why would they send me one and not answer my e-mails at all for the other? Who knows. That's just how they are.

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Apparently in Russia you are free to roam the cabin at 100ft agl too ("ding"@ ~00:53)...

Cheers!

Bud

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