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Hey guys. I'm new to these forums but I've flown A2A's aircraft a bit, including the B-17 and Spitfire (which are amazing).

I hope this isn't one of those questions that's just asked time and time again, to the point of annoying A2A.

I was wondering if A2A ever considered the development of a high wing, modernized trainer. Now I'm not talking about throwing a bunch of glass on a panel and calling it a fun. I'm talking about something in between old school, and new school. Like a 150, 152, or maybe even a 172M.

Surprisingly, flight simulator lacks these every-day trainers when it comes to detail.

You've got Carenado, who didn't even bother to include a fuel shutoff in their 152. Leaves out even the most basic equipment, like strobe lights and fully functional radios. But if a developer can't even be bothered to develop a Cessna 152 in it's entirety, it makes me question the fidelity and accuracy of the flight model, and keeps me from being able to even perform normal checklists.

Now we have these ground breaking developer's like A2A, with exceptionally immersive aircraft addons. A2A is the best at what they do, hands down. I know you can't make everyone happy, and there's always going to be people like me who would love to see something a little different. I just wonder if A2A has ever considered expanding on what they did with the Cub, into other areas of development.

I would really love to see a developer like A2A give Cessna jockey's like me the ability to recreate that experience of going down to the regional airport and taking the kids on a scenic adventure, or practicing some circuits and experimenting with spins, touch and goes, and turn coordination on more of a modest, believable scale.

Thoughts?

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I like the idea of in depth simulation of a common general aviation light aircraft.
Even though this might get seen as advertising a competitor I feel like I should mention that Aerosoft has something like this in its program with their Diamond DA20-100 Katana 4X: http://www.aerosoft.com/cgi-local/us/ib ... 0700,11977
Reviews are found at the bottom of the page.

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Hey Ishigami. I know about the Katana 4X. I was on the beta team.

I love what that former Digital Aviation dev did with that aircraft. I just crave the same thing for a high wing plane. In the region of the world I live in, the majority of all schools use high wing, less than 200hp trainers like the 152/172.

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I believe RealAir has hinted of doing a Cessna trainer of some sorts either 152/172 as their project after next which is a Lancair Legacy. If the turbine duke is any indication, it should be a very fine product...then combined with whatever advancments accu-feel has made by then it should be a great deal. It might not be quite the level of full accusim but should be a very well done project nonetheless. In the meantime along with your Katana I would suggest the RV-7, which is a fine GA plane to suit your needs, especially matched with Accu-Feel. It's kind of like a Grumman AA-1 with a bit more power

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Who makes the RV-7 I have been looking for a decent one and can't find one.

Bay Tower Studio is the developer of the RV-7. It comes with both taildragger and trike variants. Don't know if it is kosher to post another dev's url here but you can google them.

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Sweet thanks. And don't worry A2A no one can beat you guys.

Why not a 7ECA/ 7GCAA Citabria?

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I just figured I'd throw this in the mix. I haven't seen ANYONE do a Beechcraft BE77 Skipper for FSX. I found one for FS2000, but NONE for FSX! I just hope that someone finally decides to make a skipper, as it would also help since I'm training in one right now.

Real air did a pretty nice Citabria, N990WY.

That's kinda beside the point of my OP though.

I'm sure you guys know the popularity of the Cessna 172. There have been more 172s manufactured than any other aircraft in the world.

Yet, the last time a decent Cessna 172 was developed for FS, was in 2004, by Flight 1. It's outdated. We need something native to FSX, that has detail, and realism in it. How is it, that we have just about every turbo prop in the world modeled, but not a good ol' Skyhawk, or 152 in FSX?

I would really encourage A2A to be the first to take that step, and expand the Wings of Silver series from the Cub, into a good ol' tricycle, high wing, common trainer. The overall mission seems to be replicating the classics, right? B-17....Cub...

But how can you get any more classic than a Skyhawk, or 152? Seems like a no brainer to me. But what do I know?

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i highly doubt you'll see another cessna done via big (for the fs dev world!) devs in strict law countrys, because cessna (or textron to be precise) want massive lisence fees. Carenado get away with their countrys goverment/law system isnt exactly strict when it comes to copyrights etc etc etc

Didn't Flight1 do a Cessna Skycatcher, which is kind of like Cessnas 'modern' take on the 150?

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Cessna can't demand licensing fees unless protected documents were used to develop the aircraft. The only reason they don't do it is because they'd rather not spend the money to fight and win the case. It's already been won in the past on several occasions with other manufacturers.

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I used to have the Real Air Citabria for FS2004; it was a pretty good airplane, but the flight dynamics were kind of off. Having numerous hours in real Citabrias, (7ECA, 7GCAA, 7KCAB), I have to say Real Air didn't do a good job on the aircraft.

But I have said it and I will say it again, A2A needs to make a Accusim North American AT-6 Texan: the most widely known and used advanced trainer ever built.

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devlop a cessna 172 model for FSX and prove me wrong then