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I have downloaded WOP3 Spitfire without any indication of problems and on installing, when it gets to the Directx9 Web setup, and I get the error
"Extracting file failed. It is most probably caused by low memory (low disc space for swapping file) or Corrupted Cabinet file."
I did make the mistake of trying to install the Accusim software first but it stopped itself so I then installed the basic Spitfire.
It did still say (after closing the error message) thet WOP3 Spifire was successfully installed but there is a further problem (see below).
I am running Window 7 Home premium 64 bit, I have 6Gb RAM and 47Gb of SSD drive space available after the install. System specs below.
The downloaded zip file reads as 141,633KB in Explorer and the Accusim reads as 12,448KB.

I don't know if this install error has happened before but before I download another copy can you tell me if this is actually OK or was it perhaps because I have Directx11 installed?

I decided to try it out anyway and installed Accusim. I found that the sound did not work and the elevator and rudder trims would not work from my rotaries although all other aircraft do (including the old WOP2 Spitfire).

Next I re-installed the Spitfire over the Spifire and Accusim installations, it said it was replacing a newer sound.cfg file and the sound worked but not the trims. So, I uninstalled everything, installed only the Spitfire and am still without trims on the rotaries for the WOP3 Spits although the cockpit trim controls work using the mouse to drag the wheels round. It is the same with all 3 WOP3 Spitfires.

Can you please help with these two problems?

System specs:
ASUS Sabertooth X58 motherboard
Intel Core i7 950 3.06G s1366 o/clocked @ 4GHz
Megahalems Cooler with twin 120mm fans
128GB Crucial SSD 6Gb/s (Win7, FSX Deluxe, X-Plane, IL-2)
2 x Western Digital 160GB HDDs (Downloads/documents/Photos/other stuff)
6GB (3x2) Corsair RAM CMP6GX3M3A1600C8 DHX
1280MB EVGA GTX570 SC PCI-E GPU
Corsair 750W 750HXUK Modular PSU
Coolermaster HAF 912 Plus Case
MS Win 7 Home Prem 64bit OEM
Saitek X52Pro HOTAS (controller #1)
Saitel X45 HOTAS (controller #2)
Saitek Rudder pedals
Logitech wireles mouse
Trackir4 plus LED Clip running Trackir5 software

klem

Klem,

I have a system similar to yours (but an i920) and have no problems. (but had a couple during Beta)

Uninstall from windows programs and features manager ..first accusim, then WOP3 Spit. THEN manually delete the A2A Spitfire files in "Documents"

Try installing again but after installing, go into a standard FSX aircraft first, save a flight "cold and dark" and THEN chnage the aircraft to a Spitfire.

See if that helps, worked for me.


Also at teh Direct X install, just push cancel and the install should tick on and finish.

Hope this helps


Darryl

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Thanks for the reply Darryl but it did'nt change anything. I also realised that the Rudder trim on the X52 Pro rotary isn't working either although the cockpit wheel does. I'll edit that into the first post.

Also installing Accusim killed the sounds again.

One for A2A I think.

klem

The initial error you mentioned means dx did not update (Due to lack of HDD space or corupt download) and it is required for the aircraft.

This should be fixed before torubleshooting any other issues.

It sound sliek you tried to reinstall over other bits and bobs. I would suggest starting a fresh with a complete uninstall.

Make sure ou restart your system after the uninstall + delete any files left over from the messed up previous installs.

Once completly clean, then reinstall int he correct order, make sure you are connected to the web and that the install is run as administraotr (right click run as administrator) and also that the installer has access to the web (DX update is a web installer that downloads as it installs/checks new versions etc.)

Make sure to restart the system after install.

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Hi Lewis,
ok lets take it one step at a time.

I have FSX deluxe, patched to Service Pack 2.

I uninstalled Accusim then WOP3 Spitfire
I deleted the A2A folder in My Documents
I deleted a couple of saved flights for the WOP3 Spitfires
I cannot find anything else to look for/delete.
I rebooted.

I downloaded the two files again.
They are both exactly the same size as the originals and when expanded they are again exactly the same size as before so I am sure I have a good download (but peeved that I have wasted a download).
I ran the installation files "as Administrator" although I am an Adminstrator anyway.

I got exactly the same error message as in my original post.
I did not get asked (as Darryl suggested) if I wanted to update Directx, it just tried to do it and failed.
After accepting the error message I again got "....installed successfully".

I have not tried to install Accusim again just yet.

So, the basic install problem is not solved.
Side Question: Why would I want to "update to Direct9" when I have Directx11 installed?
Is this WOP3 Spitfire compatible with the latest Win7/64 and Directx11 systems?

We can stop there for now and work that out the install problem but the following may provide more clues so.........
Without Accusim installed.....
I noticed that the A2A folders and the configurator sit under the FSX folder.
There are no A2A folders under My Documents.
When I checked the first install they were both disabled but that was after Accusim was installed. When I then enabled them to my two rotaries the Rudder trim worked ok in the configurator and the cockpit but the configurator showed my Elevator rotary stuck at 88% and the slightest touch on the rotary when in the cockpit sent the trim 2.5 grads down and locked it there.
With the new install I started FSX and selected a WOP3 spitfire and the trims did not work. When I checked the configurator I had exactly the same problem as before when I enabled them in the configurator and after re-selecting the aircraft the rudder trim works but I had the same locking problem with the elevator trim.

My elevator rotary works fine in all other aircraft including the WOP2 Spitfire but they don't have a configurator.
Is the configurator some kind of controls interface or just an FSX settings editor?

Klem,

I have exactly the same issue. DirectX update crashed during Spitfire installation and I don't have elevator trim

I'am using FSX+acceleration on Windows 7 64

The DirectX update is only needed for our sound engine, and by the time the install reaches that point, the install is complete. This crash isn't from us, it's from Microsoft which is odd.

Are you able to:
- click and drag your elevator trim?
- map it to standard buttons (down, up)?

Scott.

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Ahh ok I thnk I get it.

Ok chaps, everything is installed fine. If the dx installer is failing then that unfortuatly is an MS issue as it is simply the webinstaller from Microsoft running. DX9 and DX11 are two different systems, not upgrades of the same system if that makes sense? Basicly FSX is a Directx 9 game so no part of DX11 is running at all, unless you choose Dx1 in which you get part of the dx10 code running. But thats not important anyway.

If you try as Scott suggested as the issue is with controls and not any install issue.


thanks,
Lewis

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I can confirm that I had the same issue on one of my systems as it would NOT allow updating the DirectX ! This is a (mostly) Vista problem and not easy to overcome. Frotunately after some time and a few MS updates in between suddenly the system accepted the update and everything was fine. The DirectX issue can get very nasty within XP and Vista - also for other graphic programs. However I have no problems at all on my Win7 machine. I honestly don't have a clue how to overcome this MS glitch....

Oskar

Hi Scott

Sounds:
I am going to assume that the DirectX update isn't needed as I have Directx11. Please tell me if that is correct. Can you also tell me how to recover the original sounds when Accusim has been installed.

Lewis siad
FSX is a Directx 9 game so no part of DX11 is running at all, unless you choose Dx1 in which you get part of the dx10 code running.
Did he mean 'Preview Directx 10 in the custom graphics settings? And do I realy need that as it affects some other addons?

Elevator trim:
Yes I can drag it with the mouse and I can operate it with keys. I mapped the elevator trim to the up/down/left/right cursor keys (or Num8/Num2/Num4/Num6). The original mappings using Ctrl+Num7 and Ctrl+Num1 seemed to conflict with the views making them jump momentarily without affecting the trim but that may have something to do with standard view keys and possibly the fact that I am using Trackir. Anyway it works ok now on those cursor keys.

After remapping to those keys I still have the Rotary problem. As I said before, I set the elevator trim to rotary Rz and it sees a fixed 88%. If I select the other rotary, Rx, it responds OK but I notice that something is odd in the configurator and I think I may know part of the answer.

I have been assuming that Rz is the second rotary on the X45 as Rx is definitely the other of the two (which I usually use for Aileron trim in other sims and I don't want to use it for Rudder trim to avoid confusion). However the X45 also has a Rocker for actual Rudder and I know that is broken, I don't use it, and I believe now that Rocker is Rz and stuck at 88%. In fact in the Windows device properties it does indeed show a fixed ~75% displacement to one side and it jitters and the elevator trim wheel in the cockpit jitters when I assign it to Rz so I'm now pretty certain that's where my locking elevator trim problem came from. I wasn't selecting my second Rotary at all. So, where's my second Rotary in the configurator? Well, two 'Sliders' are detected by the configurator both of which respond to the Throttle movement but nothing else shows for or responds to the second Rotary. So it seems that the configurator is not detecting my second X45 rotary at all but is showing two Sliders for the one throttle.

I would just like to confirm that all X45 Rotaries, Throttle etc work correctly in the Windows device properties (except that broken Rocker) and they work in all other non-WOP3 aircraft including elevator trim. Also, the X45 is joystick0 and used for miscellaneous controls like trims and Prop Pitch (the Throttle axis) whilst my X52 Pro is joystick1 and used for Primary Controls, Throttle, etc. My rudder pedals are Joystick2. I have cross-checked that there are no conflicting axis or key mappings between these three controllers.

Does that help?

I have one of my G940 trim wheels set as elevator trim in elevator FSX but it doesn't work. I had to go the the Spitfire Joystick Configurator and set the elevator trim in there. It also has the ability to set rudder and cowl/radiator flaps to a rotary so it really is worth setting your controls in the Joystick Configurator as well as FSX.

Can you try setting up the elevator trim controls in the A2A Joystick Configurator in your FSX instal folder\A2A\Spitfire\Tools. Let us know if it helps.

Also the DX9 update is still relevant even if you have DX11, DX9 is required for compatability with older games and so on.

I assume from your system specs you are using your onboard sound card. If you haven't updated the drivers for it could you give that a go please.

ICDP

with respect, if you read my posts you'll see that I have been using the configurator and there appears to be a problem in there.

Also, if I have Directx11 I believe it is downwardly compatible with, and will provide any needs of, Directx9. I cannot have a Directx9 and a Directx11 installation.

My PC is only a few weeks old, runs all other applications ok including all other FSX aircraft and all drivers are up to date.

klem

The DirectX updater contains new version of libraries for all versions of DirectX (9, 10, 11). All of them are installed side by side and every application uses the ones it needs.

Spitfire requires newer version of libraries than those shipped with even the most recent versions of Windows 7, so the update is mandatory. However, there is a big chance that it has already updated on your PC, for example when you have installed other games, or through Windows Update.

If you have problems with online installer, then you can try the offline one. Download, unpack and run setup: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/d ... B8109CB4F5

As for the problems with trim wheels: can you assign them to other joystick axes that are detected by the joystick configurator and see if they work in game? It seems to me that the only problem is that joystick configurator doesn't detect those particular axes you want to use as trim wheels.

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My apologies Klem, I obviously mis-read your post.

Can you post a screenshot of your setup in the Spitfire Input Configurator please? Also can you tell us if the X45 has the latest drivers available from here?

http://www.saitek.com/uk/down/drivers.php

some1
My PC was professionally built just 6 weeks ago and has Directx11 installed (no a, b, etc suffixes). But I d/loaded that link, installed and it reports the same in dxdiag and has not fixed anything.

I can assign the Elevator trim to the other Rotary and it works just fine. After several reinstalls, cleanups and reboots I still have the same dual Slider in the configurator and no Rotary 3 (Rotary Ry axis). I do see all three in my X52 list. It is clearly a failure of the configurator to see my Rotaries properly. Is there some config/??? file I can hand edit?

IDCP
I have the latest Saitek drivers, d/loaded in December, re-d/loaded tonight and the same file size. Please remember that I have no problems with any other game on my PC including FSX and the older WOP2 Spitfire.

I can't attach the jpeg because I get the message "Sorry, the board attachment quota has been reached."

Here is the list I get to choose from in the configurator:
DISABLED
X Axis
Y Axis
Slider
Rz Axis
Slider
Rx Axis

There is no Ry axis listed and I am guessing that is the Rotary I want to use, all others are accounted for:-
X Axis - Stick Ailerons (but not used)
Y Axis - Stick Elevators )but not used)
Slider - Responds to the Throttle
Rz Axis - Rocker Rudder
Slider - Responds to the Throttle
Rx Axis - Thumb Rotary (lower one, vertical) which can be set to Elevator Trim but I don't want to use it for that

Ry Axis is missing and I am sure now is the Thumb Rotary (Top, horizontal) that I want to use.
Throttle (Slider) is displayed twice.

btw is there a way to get the configurator to remember where my FSX folder is? Not a biggy, but frustrating.

A2A
Please don't misunderstand me guys but I was told to post here and Tech Support would pick it up. I don't know who is 'Tech Support' but I'd like to think there is a logical progression through this so we can target/eliminate the problems. Is anyone stringing these posts together to form a picture?

Thanks,

klem