December 23rd group flight: "The Hump"

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December 23rd group flight: "The Hump"

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After our mad dash in GA's through Patagonian Andes mountains, a bit of the same, but different.

Introducing ... Flying the Hump.

Route(s), as they are long:

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Historical map of routes
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History background
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hump

Proposal:
Form up at VEMN (sub for historical Dinjan), head for Ft Hertz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hertz) VYPT to drop troops and supplies.
This is 129nm, so doable in 90min tops.

The next flight, we take off again from Ft Hertz VYPT again and make the big hump flight, to Kunming, supplying Chang Kai Check's army.
This is a longer one, 300nm, so better to do it as a separate flight on a later date. If too long, we can again make a scheduled stop at Lijang ZPLJ, and continue on from there again from a later date.
The main hump leg would be the VYPT-ZPLJ one leg.

Details:
Normal online setup via joinfs The Skypark and Discord A2A
Where: VEMN
When: 23rd december 2019 1900z startup, 1915z take off ; 10:00LT sim time
Who: who ever is interested, the more the merrier.
What:
Historical aircraft: (for Paughco) MJ C47, JF C46, B17 P40
non-historical aircraft: Connie, P40, P51

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Count me in. The Army wants me to test this new bird over the Hump to see if it's suitable for these operations.
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ratty wrote:Image

Count me in. The Army wants me to test this new bird over the Hump to see if it's suitable for these operations.
Wonderful! Sounds like good fun!

What new bird,Ratty?
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Corsair015 wrote:
ratty wrote:Image

Count me in. The Army wants me to test this new bird over the Hump to see if it's suitable for these operations.
Wonderful! Sounds like good fun!

What new bird,Ratty?
It's around 1944, I assume, and the C-69 is in trials with the USAAF.
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Hmm, ZPLJ does not exist in sim....
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Tobus75 wrote:Hmm, ZPLJ does not exist in sim....
No, but the valley does. N26°40.82' E100°14.6. Who needs airports? :D

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C-47 pre-staged at VEMN:

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This time I'm flying the non-descript, non-numbered bird. We're installing the two forward-firing .50s in the nose and getting the mini-gun mounted up for firing out the paratrooper door. Nancy is like, "Tsk, tsk." Ernie and I say, "DILLIGAF?"

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A snippet from my readings about flying the Hump:
"In addition to losses from weather and mechanical failure, the unarmed and unescorted transport aircraft flying the Hump were occasionally attacked by Japanese fighters. While piloting a C-46 on one such mission, Lt. Wally A. Gayda returned fire in desperation against a fighter by pushing a Browning Automatic Rifle out the cockpit window and firing a full magazine, killing the Japanese pilot."
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ratty wrote:
Tobus75 wrote:Hmm, ZPLJ does not exist in sim....
No, but the valley does. N26°40.82' E100°14.6. Who needs airports? :D

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Well regarding range: the legs combined, just using ZPLJ as VOR reference, is doable for Connie or fighter in just under 2 hours. For a C47 that maybe a bit too lengthy for one go. So that would mean splitting into a short hop from VEMN to Ft Hertz, dropping off supplies for the Chindit guerilla's fighting the japs, then later continue on with cargo and fighter delivery to the AVG in Kunming.
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Unfortunately I won't be able to attend this week due to Christmas reasons.

And I just got a book out from the library about "The Hump" :(
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Looks awesome, have fun peoples 8)
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I quick registered to this forum after this post was shared to A2A's FB page. Just wanted to say this is a super cool idea.

My Grandma's brother (Sgt Lewis C Landauer/Radio Operator/B-29 "Stockett's Rocket") went MIA over the hump due to unknown mechanical failure in June 1944 in a B-29 during one of their maiden flights of the B-29 over the hump. The wreckage has not been recovered.

A dream of mine is to oneday scout the route with a drone in search of any clues of their B-29 wreckage but thats a whole different thread all together.

Anyways...thought I would share the record of his story to give you all something to think about during your flight over the hump.

Based on the what I have scoured from the internet this is what their route would have been on the fateful day.
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Date: June 15, 1944
Departure: Chakulia India
Expected Arrival Destination: Hsing-Ching China (Xinbin is the name of the city today)



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The 58th Bomb Wing from India bases were on their way to their forward bases and Chengtu, China for the first raid on Japan by the B-29's. Yawata Iron and Steel Works, June 15, 1944. One B-29 from the 40th Bomb Group never arrived in China:

42-6261 "Stockett's Rocket"

The Yawata mission was over and had been judged a success, not a single airplane being lost from the 40th Bombardment Group. Yet the 45th Bombardment Squadron felt a particular loss, which was indirectly a loss due to the mission.

On the morning of 15 June, Capt. Marvin Stockett and crew departed from Chakulia to proceed to the forward area in airplane 42-6261. The plane was assigned to the unit and was loaded to participate in the mission. However, it never reached the forward area. It was last heard from at 0240 Z on 15 June. Several days passed and a check was made to be sure the plane had not made an emergency landing at some field enroute. Reluctantly, it had to be concluded that the plane and crew had gone down. Notification of their loss was made. Everyone in the organization will miss the men in that crew. Hope is held, though, that they are “walking out”.

On that date the crew were listed as MIA. Listed below are members of the “Stockett’s Rocket”

Capt. Marvin Stockett A/C
2nd Lt. William Pruitt CP
2ND Lt. Marvin Fisk N
2ND Lt. Jose Marales B
1ST Lt. Max Kendzur F/E
Sgt. Lewis Landauer R
Sgt. Jesse Cotton CFC
Sgt. John Montero G
Sgt. Harry Crawford G
Sgt. John Eudy G
Cpl. Richard Leckliter V

AMERICAN BATTLE MONUMENTS COMMISSION
Marvin M. Stockett, Captain, U.S. Army Air Forces, 0-401260
45th Bomber Squadron, 40th Bomber Group
Entered the Service from: Oklahoma
Died: June 15, 1944
Missing in Action or Buried at Sea
Tablets of the Missing at Manila American Cemetery, Manila, Philippines

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Bio of my family member:

Lewis served as a Sergeant & Radio Operator on B-29 "Stockett's Rocket" #42-6261, 45th Bomber Squadron, 40th Bomber Group, Very Heavy, U.S. Army Air Force during World War II.

He resided in Jay County, Indiana prior to the war.

He enlisted in the Army on January 15, 1943 in Indianapolis, Indiana. He was noted, at the time of his enlistment, as being employed as a mechanic and also as Single, without dependents.

B-29 #42-6261 took off, with a crew of 11 & 1 passenger, from Chakulia, India on a bombing mission over a steel works in Yawata Kyushu, Japan. After taking off from India, and prior to actually going on the mission to Japan, they were scheduled to land in Hsing-Ching, China to refuel.

They never reached the base in China. The entire crew was lost for an unknown reason.

Lewis was declared "Missing In Action" on this mission during the war.

Service # 35581525

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More info on the experiences of the 40th group.
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April 1944 saw the first of 38 B-29s and 60 40th Group fiight crews land at Chakulia, India, where the heat was unbearable for both the men and the planes. The 100-degree-plus temperatures made work impossible during the period between 10 a.m. and 3 p.m.

‘The B-29 at the close of the war was a very good airplane,’ Carmichael says, ‘but when we first received it in 1943 and took it to the China-Burma-India [CBI] theater, it was a very poor aircraft. Nearly everything on that airplane was changed or modified before the end of the war.

‘When we were in India, the Wright engine representative told me that they had made 1,800-plus modifications to the engine alone. The engines were the prime factor in our operational losses because they were of damn poor design, and we didn’t have the proper maintenance people to maintain them.

‘The allowable engine cylinder head temperature was 265 degrees. I never saw a temperature on the early B-29s that was under 300 degrees on takeoff. As a result, we were losing engines and aircraft even before they left the runway. It wasn’t uncommon to replace all top cylinders four or five times to try to reach the 400-hour overhaul limit on the engines. We also had a tremendous problem with exhaust stacks and exhaust collector rings. These would blow out, and you either feathered the engine or risked the danger of a fire in the engine or nacelle.’

Tennessee resident Ivan Potts, a pilot with the 40th Bomb Group’s 25th Squadron, recalls: ‘The first time I saw a B-29 up close I couldn’t believe something that big could actually get off the ground and fiy. Structurally they were very strong. [No U.S. Army Air Force plane made] was more challenging or exciting to fiy. We hated it on occasion but loved it most of the time. It was completely efficient, with no wasted space anywhere. The visibility was great, due to the plexiglass nose. One pilot once said that fiying the B-29 was like fiying a three-bedroom house from the front porch.

‘Many problems became apparent during the plane’s first couple years of existence. The Wright engines were sometimes nicknamed ‘Wrong’ engines, or ‘fiamethrowers.’ They were known to conk out or catch fire in the air. They’d overheat constantly, cylinder heads would blow off, and they also acquired many leaks. The engines even ran too hot on the ground. But as time progressed we had more and more respect for the Superfortress. Its only shortcoming was that it was needed before it was ready.’

As the engine quirks were being worked out, men from the 40th Bomb Group, along with other groups from the 58th Wing based in India, were the first to deploy the Superfortress in combat. Ninety-four planes took part in a June 5, 1944, mission, whose target was the Makasan railroad yard at Bangkok, Thailand. Fourteen planes in the wing aborted before reaching Bangkok 1,000 miles away, most because of engine malfunctions. The target was overcast, forcing the bombardiers to use radar. Only 18 bombs landed inside the target area. To make matters worse, a tropical storm hit as the bombers returned. Five of the planes crashed on landing, and 42 pilots put down at other bases before their fuel ran out.

Although it was a disastrous first strategic mission, it was a learning experience. The targets soon became places in Japan itself, in addition to others in Thailand, Japanese-occupied portions of China, Burma, Manchuria and Formosa. One of the group’s most prestigious achievements in the Pacific war effort was its aerial support for General Douglas MacArthur’s invasion of the Philippines in September 1944. On the 14th and 17th, the B-29s hit key Japanese airfields and installations on Formosa. During the ensuing months, more 40th Bomb Group raids followed from bases at Chakulia as well as at Hsinching, China.

One of the missions from China made a special mark in the news media. On December 7, 1944, O’Keefe’s crew was in a formation heading to bomb Japanese-occupied Mukden (now Shenyang), China, when it encountered heavy fighter opposition. Enemy shells punctured the plane’s nose, destroying O’Keefe’s gun sight and causing the cabin to lose pressure. O’Keefe and the others plugged every hole they could find with rags, but they were still losing pressure. After a thorough search, they finally found more holes on the deck but, alas, were out of rags. Crewman Edwin Mann then eyed his in-fiight meal, which contained a small package of K-ration cheese. ‘Whatever they used to preserve the cheese gave it properties of remarkable toughness and rubbery resilience,’ O’Keefe says jokingly. Mann opened two of the packs and pushed the bits of cheese into the holes. The cabin pressure returned to normal levels and held until they returned safely to base.

‘Several months later,’ O’Keefe recalls,’someone in the 40th received a magazine from home and in it found an article on the B-29s operating out of China. Tucked away in a long paragraph were a couple of lines describing the use of K-ration cheese in effecting in-fiight repairs of a battle-damaged B-29.’

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Thanks on the stories behind, bkshoe. Hope you will join us come sunday?
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