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There was a hint in a post that the B377 COTS might benefit in having new features from the development of the Connie. Curious if this is still the case. Hopefully if so, its in the engineering logic and new time process to do tasks.
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Kilstorm wrote:There was a hint in a post that the B377 COTS might benefit in having new features from the development of the Connie. Curious if this is still the case. Hopefully if so, its in the engineering logic and new time process to do tasks.
Judging by the Connie video, I think it might indeed be the new flight engineer AI that scans stuff like a human would :)

Beside that the video didn't show any other new COTS specific feature. Only the good old pressurisation failure, cabin temp complain and VIP onboard !

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I bought the 377 when it was on sale with the promise of an upgrade. I wasn't sure what all was involved but after purchasing I'm hoping for a new maintenance hanger. It could really use an upgrade in that department.
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WB_FlashOver wrote:I bought the 377 when it was on sale with the promise of an upgrade. I wasn't sure what all was involved but after purchasing I'm hoping for a new maintenance hanger. It could really use an upgrade in that department.
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WB_FlashOver wrote:I bought the 377 when it was on sale with the promise of an upgrade. I wasn't sure what all was involved but after purchasing I'm hoping for a new maintenance hanger. It could really use an upgrade in that department.
Honestly, I disagree. Heres why. Unlike the small GA planes that would be privately owned and there for maintained, the COTS give you the role of just being a line pilot. Its up to you to determine if the plane in running wrong while in flight but once on the ground, you squawk it to the MX and go home. Doesnt matter if its a this or that. Just does it run great, good, fair or poor. In the B-17 you can do a more in-depth look into each engine but once again, you are the Captain and you are the only Captain of that plane.

Now, would I hope for more wear and tear and the tear to come by how I fly the plane....yes. But I dont need to get involved in the actual tear down of each engine and what is running wrong, that is for the MX dept to deal with after I report a bad engine based off of an in flight issue. just my opinion.
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Kilstorm wrote:
WB_FlashOver wrote:I bought the 377 when it was on sale with the promise of an upgrade. I wasn't sure what all was involved but after purchasing I'm hoping for a new maintenance hanger. It could really use an upgrade in that department.
Honestly, I disagree. Heres why. Unlike the small GA planes that would be privately owned and there for maintained, the COTS give you the role of just being a line pilot. Its up to you to determine if the plane in running wrong while in flight but once on the ground, you squawk it to the MX and go home. Doesnt matter if its a this or that. Just does it run great, good, fair or poor. In the B-17 you can do a more in-depth look into each engine but once again, you are the Captain and you are the only Captain of that plane.

Now, would I hope for more wear and tear and the tear to come by how I fly the plane....yes. But I dont need to get involved in the actual tear down of each engine and what is running wrong, that is for the MX dept to deal with after I report a bad engine based off of an in flight issue. just my opinion.
I guess it could depend on how you view the plane. For me it's simple in that this my plane. I don't fly it for a company. I don't fly it for the military. I own it, fly it, brake it (or wear it out), and I repair it. I want to know precisely how my flying effects it's wellbeing. I have a program that breaks it down to every aspect that accu-sim monitors and tells me the condition of each component. That's hard to do when the 377 does not monitor much of anything that I can see so far.

As an example, when I hit 1,000 hours in my B17 I rebuilt it completely. In 114 hours engine 1 main bearings are at 87%, eng 2 mains are at 94%, #3 at 90% and #4 at 92%. Why is 1 deteriorating at a faster rate? I don't know but she's my baby and I try to treat her right. I cannot do that if my crew chief doesn't keep me informed.

And really that is what accu-sim is all about. 8)

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That would be my preference, too, Roger. But I won't be very disappointed if that doesn't happen. I imagine accomplishing an update such as you describe might be on the order of monumental! I'm going to be looking for some sound adjustments and maybe some changes in the wear model...but really just small things in the background that make a difference, but don't involve cracking open and remaking large parts of the sim.

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Jacques wrote:That would be my preference, too, Roger. But I won't be very disappointed if that doesn't happen. I imagine accomplishing an update such as you describe might be on the order of monumental!
I know it would be a MAJOR overhaul to do as I'm hoping. However, I am hoping that with the T6 development and other advances in Accu-Sim over the recent releases that maybe it is something that Scott and team would look in to.

Well, here's hoping... :mrgreen:

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Kilstorm wrote:
WB_FlashOver wrote:I bought the 377 when it was on sale with the promise of an upgrade. I wasn't sure what all was involved but after purchasing I'm hoping for a new maintenance hanger. It could really use an upgrade in that department.
Honestly, I disagree. Heres why. Unlike the small GA planes that would be privately owned and there for maintained, the COTS give you the role of just being a line pilot. Its up to you to determine if the plane in running wrong while in flight but once on the ground, you squawk it to the MX and go home. Doesnt matter if its a this or that. Just does it run great, good, fair or poor. In the B-17 you can do a more in-depth look into each engine but once again, you are the Captain and you are the only Captain of that plane.

Now, would I hope for more wear and tear and the tear to come by how I fly the plane....yes. But I dont need to get involved in the actual tear down of each engine and what is running wrong, that is for the MX dept to deal with after I report a bad engine based off of an in flight issue. just my opinion.

By your same argument the maintenance hangar wouldn't make sense to be in any of the GA aircraft it is in. the pilot and/or owner most times don't do the mantaining of the engine etc themselves. like you said that is left to the mx. private or commercial, all aircraft have to go through mantainance.

I am honestly really hoping for an upgrade to similar mantaining like the b17. sadly sounds like it wont be happening but I cant imagine it would be that different to do from the 17. both are 4 engine piston radials. yes theres differences but I dont imagine it would be too difficult to do as the framework already exists from the 17. I love the maintenance features and is a big reason I keep comming back to the accusim line. and I love the 377 as it is my favorite so far with the most interaction and biggest test of skill as passengers grade you, but the click to overhaul for any issue is honestly the worst part of the plane for me. I'd be dissappointed but not completely heartbroken if we didn't get an improved system. just my thoughts

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tekrc wrote: By your same argument the maintenance hangar wouldn't make sense to be in any of the GA aircraft it is in. the pilot and/or owner most times don't do the mantaining of the engine etc themselves. like you said that is left to the mx. private or commercial, all aircraft have to go through mantainance.
Agree to disagree. The idea that the Captain of an airliner taxis the plane to the MX himself, tells the MX the issues, waits to hear what the MX finds and reads in their notes, decides which parts to fix, calls for a compression test if needed, determines which spark plugs to use and then comes back and picks it up from the MX to put it back into services, to me is not a good argument. However, the owner of a privately owned GA plane would do these things.

On the B377, we have enough working gauges to determine the general health of the a/c. Its burning more oil than the other engines, its sputtering a lot, the various temps etc. The COTS can determine that an engine is in need of additional service above the 24 hour, 100 hour etc inspections.
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I have to side with captian of the ship is focused on how you fly and the decisions you make for your passengers as a captain of an airline. Yoy are not the owner like the GA fleet. It is not about changing the oil or replacing the fuel filter. It is about making smooth and coordinated turns, gentle descents so babies dont cry from pressure change, touchdowns of less than 100ft/min,and emergency diverts if something goes wrong like a fire or loss of pressurization.
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I agree that the idea behind B377 and Connie COTS is that you are a line pilot, your job is just to fly the plane and keep the customers happy with your flying skills and knowhow. MX issues are handled by the airline's MX department, and MX repair costs are taken on by the airlines's beancounters.

While you can pretend to be a career pilot with the warbirds, I think in general, the A2A warbird line mostly represent 'restored' warbirds you see on the airshow circuits. You the pilot are most likely the wealthy owner of said restored warbirds....ala Kermit Weeks. As the wealthy owner, you probably employ a group of ground crew and MX specialists, who help prepare and maintain the aircraft for flight. Since you sign the checks for aircraft upkeep, you are the final say on what parts get replaced and so on.

For the GA birds, you are the aircraft owner, but you don't have a groundcrew, so you have to do the preflight and aircraft preparation yourself. Since you also are financially responsible for the aircraft's upkeep, you also have ultimate say on what parts or upgrades are made to the aircraft.

All of those A2A releases bring something different to the table. I think you just have to enjoy each one for what they are. Perhaps we are simply at the limits of what COTS and accusim is capable of currently, while still being able to run on the average simmer's PC. I have no doubt all of these things will advance into bigger and better things as time goes on.

Still, I do hope that someday there can be a combination of COTS, MX hangar, Preflight, + whatever future bells n whistles, all together in some small-medium sized transport aircraft. That way you can operate Billy-Bob's charter service or whatever. With your charter company, You are responsible for aircraft upkeep. As chief pilot, you must also preflight the aircraft, then of course, you must also keep the customers happy. Someday.

Really tho, A2A gives us a minor miracle for our hobby every time they release something new, so, there is plenty to be grateful for. I have a feeling accusim will evolve at the pace it does, at whatever pace the A2A staff feels like. In the meantime, there are plenty of passengers to scare. :)

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I agree to disagree with the agreed. Otherwise, yes it would be nice if they did update the B-377 with some of the new Connie stuff. I remember someone, somewhere said it was going to happen.
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An update would be awesome but I'm not sure exactly what they would update. Maybe vibrations and possible passenger scenarios. A gps would be nice too.
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