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 Post subject: Norden Bombsite
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 8:36 pm 
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I know someone in here knows the answere. I downloaded and installed the norden bombsite from the 91st website, followed instructions to the best of my understanding, but Ive missed something somewhere. It seems that everything is working like it should be, except when im looking thru the bombsite, instead of seeing the ground, I see the C1 auto pilot. I know I missed something probably simple. I had it installed years ago but I just dont remember. Thought it would be quicker to ask here then me trying to run it down myself. Thanks for any help.

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 Post subject: Re: Norden Bombsite
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 10:52 pm 
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It sounds like there is a problem with the CameraDefinition entry for the Norden in the aircraft.cfg file.

That entry must be the LAST entry in the section of CameraDefinitions beginning with the entry"
[CameraDefinition.001]
Title = "Right Seat"

As opposed to the section starting with
[CameraDefinition.0]
Title = "Right Front High"

Mine is [CameraDefinition.005], following the entry:
[CameraDefinition.004]
Title = "Autopilot Panel"

Double check the Norden CameraDefinition entry to insure there are no errors that would cause it to be ignored. If that were the case you would see the C1 CameraDefinition view, just as you are seeing.

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 Post subject: Re: Norden Bombsite
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 5:21 am 
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Thanks Paul, ill have a look...

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 Post subject: Re: Norden Bombsite
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 5:28 am 
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It looks right to me but then again its not working right either..... here is what I have , this is what I have for that section, maybe you can see what I have wrong......

[CameraDefinition.001]
Title = "Right Seat"
Guid = {8ff6c134-098d-409f-baec-caba3f683f98}
Origin = Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect = YES
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = False
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = False
Track = None
ShowAxis = YES
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 0.5
SmoothZoomTime = 2.0
ZoomPanScalar = 1.0
ShowWeather = Yes
XyzAdjust = TRUE
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category = Cockpit
PitchPanRate=100
HeadingPanRate=100
InitialXyz=0.8533983, 0.0, 0.0
InitialPbh=0, 0, 0

[CameraDefinition.002]
Title = "Center Panel"
Guid = {195EAB58-9E4A-2E2A-A34C-A8D9D948F078}
Origin = Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect = YES
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = False
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = False
Track = None
ShowAxis = YES
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = .4
SmoothZoomTime = 2.0
ZoomPanScalar = 1.0
ShowWeather = Yes
XyzAdjust = TRUE
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category = Cockpit
PitchPanRate=100
HeadingPanRate=100
InitialXyz=0.4, 0.0, 0.0
InitialPbh=5, 0, 0

[CameraDefinition.003]
Title = "Engine Controls"
Guid = {195EAB58-9E4A-3E2A-A34C-A8D9D948F078}
Origin = Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect = YES
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = False
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = False
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 0.4
SmoothZoomTime = 2.0
ZoomPanScalar = 1.0
ShowWeather = Yes
XyzAdjust = TRUE
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category = Cockpit
PitchPanRate=100
HeadingPanRate=100
InitialXyz=0.4, 0, 0
InitialPbh=50, 0, 0

[CameraDefinition.004]
Title = "Autopilot Panel"
Guid = {195EAB58-9E4A-2E2A-A34C-A8D9D948F070}
Origin = Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect = No
SnapPbhAdjust = None
SnapPbhReturn = False
PanPbhAdjust = None
PanPbhReturn = False
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = .4
SmoothZoomTime = 2.0
ZoomPanScalar = 1.0
ShowWeather = Yes
XyzAdjust = TRUE
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category = Cockpit
PitchPanRate=100
HeadingPanRate=100
InitialXyz=0.43, -0.88, 0.0
InitialPbh=5, 0, 0

[CameraDefinition.005]
Title = "Norden BombSight"
Guid = {272E45A2-AB1C-4251-ADCA-F5D7864E334F}
Origin = Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect = YES
SnapPbhAdjust = None
SnapPbhReturn = False
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = False
Track = None
ShowAxis = Yes
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 0.5
SmoothZoomTime = 2.0
ZoomPanScalar = 1.0
ShowWeather = Yes
XyzAdjust = False
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category = Cockpit
PitchPanRate=2
HeadingPanRate=0
PanAcceleratorTime=15
InitialXyz=0.42669915,-1,3
InitialPbh=45, 0, 0

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 Post subject: Re: Norden Bombsite
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 6:08 am 
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Hi.
Your aircraft.cfg view is correct , what did you do in the panel.cfg of the norden install , and how are you selecting the norden.
regards Alan (a dale) cottrill 91st bombardment group 324th CO. 8)

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 Post subject: Re: Norden Bombsite
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 4:52 pm 
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Here is my panel cfg, probably something not right here.....

[Window00]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=1024,768
position=1
visible=1
ident=10

gauge00=tester!tester, 420, 50, 400, 1000

[Window01]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=322,615
pixel_size=322,615
window_pos= 0.51, 0.2
position=0
visible=0
ident=20
sizable=0

gauge00=WoP3_b17!clipboard, 1,0,322,615

[Window02]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=321,431
pixel_size=321,431
window_pos= 0.0, 0.2
position=0
visible=0
ident=RADIO_STACK_PANEL
sizable=0
gauge00=WoP3_b17!controls, 1,0,321,431

[Window03]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=1024,768
pixel_size=1024,768
window_pos= 0.0, 0.2
position=0
visible=0
ident=FUEL_PANEL
sizable=0

gauge00=WoP3_b17!manager, 1,1,1022,766

[Window04]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=1024,768
pixel_size=1024,768
window_pos= 0.000, 0.2
position=0
visible=1
ident=50
sizable=0

gauge00=WoP3_b17!mapscreen, 255,1,770,766
gauge01=WoP3_b17!map_settings, 1,50,246,232

[Window05]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=187,262
pixel_size=187,262
position=6
window_pos= 0.025, 0.9
visible=1
ident=51
sizable=0

gauge00=WoP3_b17!radios, 1,0,185,261
//---------------------------------------------------------
gauge01=NAV_PACK!NAV_DME_Icon, 70,8, 50, 15 // Add Icon to toggle the Dual_DME Gauge
gauge02=Norden_Mod_V3!Norden Icon, 112,8,15,15 // Icon to launch the Norden

[Window06]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=1024,820
pixel_size=1024,820
window_pos= 0.000, 0.1
position=0
visible=0
ident=52
sizable=0

gauge00=WoP3_b17!engine, 1,50,1024,768


[Window07]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=230,100
position=7
visible=0
ident=53
sizable=0
zorder=2

gauge00=WoP3_b17!selector, 0,0,250,100


[Window08]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=442,570
pixel_size=442,570
position=5
visible=0
ident=54
sizable=0

gauge00=WoP3_b17!c1, 0,0,442,570

[Window09]
Background_color=0,0,0
ident=100
nomenu=1

gauge00=WoP3_b17!keys, 1,1,1,1

//-------------- Norden Bombsight Launch Gauge -------------
gauge01=Norden_Mod_V3!Norden Launch, 2,2,2,2

[Window10]
file_1024=Norden_Mod_V3\BombSight_V3.bmp
size_mm=1024,768
position=7
//Background_color=0,0,0
//size_mm=330,450
//pixel_size=330,450
//position=5
visible=0
//nomenu=1
ident=101
sizable=0

gauge00=dbg!panel, 144,0

//------------- Norden Bombsight Gauges --------------------

gauge01=WoP3_b17!c1, 1, 550, 180, 208
gauge02=xb17g!Altimeter, 4, 310, 115, 122
gauge03=xb17g!Airspeed Indicator, 4, 193, 115, 117 //4, 102, 115, 117
gauge04=xb17g!Attitude Indicator, 1, 435, 113, 115 //1, 367, 113, 115
gauge05=Norden_Mod_V3!Norden, 220, 40, 804, 695
gauge06=Norden_Mod_V3!Norden Icon Close, 990,10,25,25
gauge07=NAV_PACK!Dual_DME, 796, 275, 134, 158 //772, 25, 134, 158
gauge08=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio AP, 4, 25, 169, 50 //4,25,250, 74
gauge09=Flux_Gate_Compass!Flux Gate Compass, 4,75,115,115
gauge10=WoP3_b17!radios, 794,80,135,189 //Added in V3.1
[Window11]
Background_color=1,1,1
ident=102
window_size=1.000,1.000
nomenu=1
zorder=100

gauge00=Wop3_B17!blackout, 0,0

[Window12]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=685,685
pixel_size=685,685
position=3
visible=0
ident=103
nomenu=1
zorder=99

gauge00=Wop3_B17!engine_details, 1,1,685,685


[Window13]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=252,74
position=8
visible=0
ident=104
nomenu=1

gauge00=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio AP, 1,1,250, 74
gauge01=NAV_PACK!NAV_DME_Icon, 70,8, 50, 15 // Add Icon to toggle the Dual_DME Gauge
gauge02=Norden_Mod_V3!Norden Icon, 112,8,15,15 // Icon to launch the Norden

Window14=Nav Pack

[Window14]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=224, 264
pixel_size=224, 264
position=2
visible=0
ident=1064 // This should now be 1064, was previously 1067
nomenu=0
type=special

gauge00=NAV_PACK!Dual_DME, 0, 0, 224, 264

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 Post subject: Re: Norden Bombsite
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 4:17 am 
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Hi.
I can see differences here , but i have more mods in my B17 then you seem to have , also the top part of your panel.cfg is missing , thats the titles , so i dont know what you did here.
My windows titles at the top of my panel.cfg are as follows.
[Windows Titles]
Window01=Main Panel
Window02=Clipboard
Window03=Mini Controls
Window04=Payload and Fuel Manager
Window05=Map
Window06=Radios
Window07=Engine Selector
Window08=Autopilot
Window09=none2
Window10=dbg
Window11=none3
Window12=none4
Window13=fs autopilot
Window14=Nav Pack
Window15=Weatherships

Yours might be slightly different but the window10=dbg is the norden bombsight title.
I suspect you might be launching the bombsight incorrectly , my method of opening and closeing the norden below:-
If i open the norden bombsight , haveing trackIR5 i freeze my view dead ahead in the pilots seat , open the radio panel and hit the N icon on that panel , this launches the norden bombsight , to get back to the pilots view i hit the N icon in the norden and it closes the norden and goes to the pilots view.
regards alan. 8)

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 Post subject: Re: Norden Bombsite
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 5:26 am 
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Sorry I didnt post the entire panel cfg. I tried entering the Norden two different ways, got the same result. Im sure its something in my panel cfg that I didnt do right. Here is the entire panel cfg......

[Window Titles]
Window00=Main Panel
Window01=Clipboard
Window02=Mini Controls
Window03=Payload and Fuel Manager
Window04=Map
Window05=Radios
Window06=Maintenance Hangar
Window07=Engine Selector
Window08=Autopilot
Window09=none2
Window10=dbg
Window11=none3
Window12=none4
Window13=fs autopilot

[VIEWS]
VIEW_FORWARD_WINDOWS=10,20,RADIO_STACK_PANEL,FUEL_PANEL,50,51,52,53,54,100,101,102,103,104

VIEW_FORWARD_ZOOM=0.500

VIEW_FORWARD_RIGHT_ZOOM=0.500

VIEW_RIGHT_ZOOM=0.500

VIEW_REAR_RIGHT_ZOOM=0.500

VIEW_REAR_ZOOM=0.500

VIEW_REAR_LEFT_ZOOM=0.500

VIEW_LEFT_ZOOM=0.500

VIEW_FORWARD_LEFT_ZOOM=0.500

VIEW_UP_ZOOM=0.500



[Window00]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=1024,768
position=1
visible=1
ident=10

gauge00=tester!tester, 420, 50, 400, 1000

[Window01]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=322,615
pixel_size=322,615
window_pos= 0.51, 0.2
position=0
visible=0
ident=20
sizable=0

gauge00=WoP3_b17!clipboard, 1,0,322,615

[Window02]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=321,431
pixel_size=321,431
window_pos= 0.0, 0.2
position=0
visible=0
ident=RADIO_STACK_PANEL
sizable=0
gauge00=WoP3_b17!controls, 1,0,321,431

[Window03]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=1024,768
pixel_size=1024,768
window_pos= 0.0, 0.2
position=0
visible=0
ident=FUEL_PANEL
sizable=0

gauge00=WoP3_b17!manager, 1,1,1022,766

[Window04]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=1024,768
pixel_size=1024,768
window_pos= 0.000, 0.2
position=0
visible=1
ident=50
sizable=0

gauge00=WoP3_b17!mapscreen, 255,1,770,766
gauge01=WoP3_b17!map_settings, 1,50,246,232

[Window05]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=187,262
pixel_size=187,262
position=6
window_pos= 0.025, 0.9
visible=1
ident=51
sizable=0

gauge00=WoP3_b17!radios, 1,0,185,261
//---------------------------------------------------------
gauge01=NAV_PACK!NAV_DME_Icon, 70,8, 50, 15 // Add Icon to toggle the Dual_DME Gauge
gauge02=Norden_Mod_V3!Norden Icon, 112,8,15,15 // Icon to launch the Norden

[Window06]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=1024,820
pixel_size=1024,820
window_pos= 0.000, 0.1
position=0
visible=0
ident=52
sizable=0

gauge00=WoP3_b17!engine, 1,50,1024,768


[Window07]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=230,100
position=7
visible=0
ident=53
sizable=0
zorder=2

gauge00=WoP3_b17!selector, 0,0,250,100


[Window08]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=442,570
pixel_size=442,570
position=5
visible=0
ident=54
sizable=0

gauge00=WoP3_b17!c1, 0,0,442,570

[Window09]
Background_color=0,0,0
ident=100
nomenu=1

gauge00=WoP3_b17!keys, 1,1,1,1

//-------------- Norden Bombsight Launch Gauge -------------
gauge01=Norden_Mod_V3!Norden Launch, 2,2,2,2

[Window10]
file_1024=Norden_Mod_V3\BombSight_V3.bmp
size_mm=1024,768
position=7
//Background_color=0,0,0
//size_mm=330,450
//pixel_size=330,450
//position=5
visible=0
//nomenu=1
ident=101
sizable=0

gauge00=dbg!panel, 144,0

//------------- Norden Bombsight Gauges --------------------

gauge01=WoP3_b17!c1, 1, 550, 180, 208
gauge02=xb17g!Altimeter, 4, 310, 115, 122
gauge03=xb17g!Airspeed Indicator, 4, 193, 115, 117 //4, 102, 115, 117
gauge04=xb17g!Attitude Indicator, 1, 435, 113, 115 //1, 367, 113, 115
gauge05=Norden_Mod_V3!Norden, 220, 40, 804, 695
gauge06=Norden_Mod_V3!Norden Icon Close, 990,10,25,25
gauge07=NAV_PACK!Dual_DME, 796, 275, 134, 158 //772, 25, 134, 158
gauge08=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio AP, 4, 25, 169, 50 //4,25,250, 74
gauge09=Flux_Gate_Compass!Flux Gate Compass, 4,75,115,115
gauge10=WoP3_b17!radios, 794,80,135,189 //Added in V3.1
[Window11]
Background_color=1,1,1
ident=102
window_size=1.000,1.000
nomenu=1
zorder=100

gauge00=Wop3_B17!blackout, 0,0

[Window12]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=685,685
pixel_size=685,685
position=3
visible=0
ident=103
nomenu=1
zorder=99

gauge00=Wop3_B17!engine_details, 1,1,685,685


[Window13]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=252,74
position=8
visible=0
ident=104
nomenu=1

gauge00=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio AP, 1,1,250, 74
gauge01=NAV_PACK!NAV_DME_Icon, 70,8, 50, 15 // Add Icon to toggle the Dual_DME Gauge
gauge02=Norden_Mod_V3!Norden Icon, 112,8,15,15 // Icon to launch the Norden

Window14=Nav Pack

[Window14]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=224, 264
pixel_size=224, 264
position=2
visible=0
ident=1064 // This should now be 1064, was previously 1067
nomenu=0
type=special

gauge00=NAV_PACK!Dual_DME, 0, 0, 224, 264





//--------------------------------------------------------
[Vcockpit00]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=256,256
visible=1
pixel_size=256,256
texture=$gauges_1

gauge00=WoP3_b17!code_r, 1,1,1,1
gauge01=WoP3_b17!code_s, 2,2,2,2
gauge02=WoP3_b17_a!damage, 3,3,3,3
gauge03=WoP3_B17s!l2a, 4,4,4,4
gauge04=WoP3_B17s!storage, 5,5,5,5
gauge05=WoP3_B17s!events, 6,6,6,6
gauge06=WoP3_B17s!random, 7,7,7,7
gauge07=A2A_B17Sound!sound, 8,8,8,8
gauge08=WoP3_b17_a!status1, 9,9,9,9
gauge09=WoP3_b17_a!status2, 10,10,10,10
gauge10=WoP3_b17_a!status3, 11,11,11,11
gauge11=WoP3_b17_a!status4, 12,12,12,12
gauge12=WoP3_b17_a!status5, 13,13,13,13
gauge13=WoP3_b17_a!status6, 14,14,14,14
gauge14=WoP3_b17_a!status7, 15,15,15,15
gauge15=WoP3_b17_a!status8, 16,16,16,16
gauge16=WoP3_b17_a!status9, 17,17,17,17
gauge17=WoP3_b17_a!status10, 18,18,18,18
gauge18=WoP3_b17_a!status11, 19,19,19,19
gauge19=WoP3_b17_a!status12, 20,20,20,20
gauge20=WoP3_b17_a!status13, 21,21,21,21
gauge21=WoP3_b17_a!status14, 22,22,22,22
gauge22=WoP3_b17_a!status15, 23,23,23,23
gauge23=WoP3_b17_a!status16, 24,24,24,24

[Color]
Day=255,255,255
Night=117,117,180
Luminous=200,200,101


[Default View]
X=0
Y=0
SIZE_X=8191
SIZE_Y=6143

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 Post subject: Re: Norden Bombsite
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 5:59 am 
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Hi.
The panel.cfg you have should work ok , i have different mods installed and for my benifit , i modified the norden more than the norden install mods call for, so it is slightly different then normal , did you open the norden the way i discribed above , that i use , as you mentioned you launched in two different ways , there is only one way to launch the norden , else you get different panels showing in the norden bombsight , instead of a clear view.
regards alan. 8)

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 Post subject: Re: Norden Bombsite
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 9:44 am 
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Here is my 'window10' entry. Note the differeces, particularly the position...mine = 0 yours = 7
and you are missing the 'window_size=1.000,1.000' entry.

[Window10]
file_1024=Norden_Mod_V3\BombSight_V3.bmp
size_mm=1024,768
position=0
window_size=1.000,1.000
//Background_color=0,0,0
//size_mm=330,450
//pixel_size=330,450
//position=5
visible=0
//nomenu=1
ident=101
sizable=0

gauge00=dbg!panel, 144,0

//------------- Norden Bombsight Gauges -------------

gauge01=WoP3_b17!c1, 1, 550, 180, 208
gauge02=xb17g!Altimeter, 4, 310, 115, 122
gauge03=xb17g!Airspeed Indicator, 4, 193, 115, 117 //4, 102, 115, 117
gauge04=xb17g!Attitude Indicator, 1, 435, 113, 115 //1, 367, 113, 115
gauge05=Norden_Mod_V3!Norden, 220, 40, 804, 695
gauge06=Norden_Mod_V3!Norden Icon Close, 990,10,25,25
gauge07=NAV_PACK!Dual_DME, 796, 275, 134, 158 //772, 25, 134, 158
gauge08=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio AP, 4, 25, 169, 50 //4,25,250, 74
gauge09=Flux_Gate_Compass!Flux Gate Compass, 4,75,115,115
gauge10=WoP3_b17!radios, 794,80,135,189

//---------------------------------------------------

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 Post subject: Re: Norden Bombsite
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 7:12 pm 
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Here is what i have so far, I changed the window 10 entry to match what Paul has, I still get the same result. I can get to the Norden 3 different ways and every way gives me the exact same result. Way #1 is the icon in the radio stack, #2 is the icon on the auto pilot, #3 is the call switch. I get the Norden ok, but thru the sight is the c1 auto pilot and not a clear view. I have missed something, I just cant find it. There has got to be something that replaces that c1 with the clear view.

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 Post subject: Re: Norden Bombsite
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 4:43 am 
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Hi.
This is an odd one , i just fired up my B-17 , and tried your 3 ways of opening the Norden , mine works perfectly sending me to the Norden every time with a clear view , i can see nothing wrong in your aircraft or panel.cfg files , it should work .
I use TrackIR5 to look around my VC , how or what do you use to look around your VC , if you just use same as me or the hat switch , then it should work perfectly , i believe chase plane can sometimes play havoc with differnt views and walk around checks in A2A aircraft , if you are useing something like that to look around your VC , then if you can try disableing it temporary , to see if the norden then works as it should .
regards alan. 8) :?:

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 Post subject: Re: Norden Bombsite
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:19 am 
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I just use the hat switch, oh well, maybe something will show up, thanks for the help anyways.

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