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Hi guys,

Small question from my side. Since A2A announced their new projects, including GA planes, I was wondering if anybody at A2A has ever considered doing an Accusim helicopter at any point in time ? After seeing that video, I could help thinking how cool it would be to have a proper simulation of such a beast in my virtual hangar:

Not quite the same scale, but have you ever looked at the Dodosim Bell 206 JetRanger?

Not that I'd want to put A2A off doing a S-34/UH-34/?????, but the Dodo is already available and is exceptionally good.

Ian P.

Yes, but the Dodosim 206 is... a 206, which is quite boring/totally unimpressive. Also, it's not a piston engine.
I wanted a very good copter in my FSX hangar, but I could never decide myself to buy the dodosim, I just don't like the 206.
Their Huey might convince me, in 15 years when it will finally reach the market, right after the Accusim F-4

You would have a lot of people using the maintenance hanger a lot more often with a helicopter and accusim LOL. Helicopters have more limits that you have to remain within over airplanes.

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To be honest, I consider the Dodo Huey to be vaporware at this point. After all these years in development hell I highly doubt that it will ever be released. It would be great if I was wrong about it but I have very little hope.

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Oh good grief. The blithering forum deleted the name of the West Saxon lands.

Seriously Lewis/Scott/Anyone - a profanity filter is all well and good, but it could do with being a LOT more intelligent!

Ian P.

Listening to the way Scott describes Accu-sim as being a bucket that can only be filled to X amount a helicopter would quickly fill it to the max! Being in rotor craft maitnenance myself there are a ton of limits that the aircraft is constantly subjected to. Most importantly the various greasings, and bearing checks about every 30 hours. Not to mention all of the dynamic components that are constantly wearing down. While it would be awesome to see them do a helicopter I just do not think it would be worth the effort required to do it properly.

That said there are awesome programs you can get. Helicopter True Realism is a great freeware program. Granted there is no maitnenance, but it certaintly enhances the helicopter flight dynamics in the sim. As far as the 206 being boring you have to realize most helicopters are the same flight performance wise. They may have different load carrying capacities, and slightly varying top speeds/climb rates. Over all though the 206 is more the norm, and your Apache/Commanche/Lynx are the exception to the rules. All of the heli pilots I work with actually prefer the smaller 206/UH-1's as they are more agile than the heavier H-60's and other medium lift heli's.

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I know about HTR but in this topic my main focus was not th flight model at all. I use copters in FS quite often, and even though I'm not too good at maintaining a hover, I do enjoy flying them a lot.

But in that precise case, I was more interested in the mecanic aspect of the flying machine. This specific copter has quite an interesting engine system, that is a piston engine, with all the constraints involved. I would have loved to see such a machine reproduced in the Accusim environment. I would have loved to struggle to start it like in that video, I would have loved to hear it finally start and smoke, etc... just like I love seeing my other Accusim aircrafts come to life at the parking.

Hey you cant forget Screaming mimi.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bff8dr9c ... detailpage

The Beltching, backfiring beast from RIPTIDE....Screaming Mimi - Nickname of the pink but well-worn Sikorsky S-58T helicopter owned by Cody Allen (Perry King) and Nick Ryder (Joe Penny) on the detective drama RIPTIDE/NBC/1984-86. Both former Vietnam veterans turned private eyes, Cody and Nick used the Screaming Mimi while investigating their cases. The front of the Screaming Mimi sported a painting of a large gaping mouth complete with upper and lower teeth and a huge set of pink lips (a sort of flying Mick Jagger). The rusty, smoke belching helicopter with drooping rotor blades used on the series was originally found in Van Nuys Airport covered with primer.

Yes I remember this TV show
But this one was a turbine engine, not as charming as the piston one.

Here is a curious beast, The KA-26. Always thought the Kamov coaxial rotor design was really cool...not the most beautiful craft flying but certianly very effective at what it does.
A real good smoke belcher.


Some good interior flight footage.


Cheers
TJ

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Whoa !! Excellent !
Thanks a lot for these videos, I didn't know anything at all about this helicopter.
Imagine how cool it would be to start such a machine in Accusim style...

My hopes are that A2A with the coming release of the C172, will see huge sales from across the board of simmer and flight schools thanks to P3D and all the USB gauges out there made for the C172.

Following that success, they will make a R22 for the same purpose, as the R22 is a great RL trainer for Helos and there are complete flight decks for simpits out there to make the R22 in scale.

I thought about making a C172 simpit after the news release of the A2A update annoucing the GA bird, but just cant give up all the other planes I sim in to having just one flight deck. With the R22 however, I can fly that ANYWHERE let it be bush or international airport and can explore and enjoy great addon fields in detail and up close as I hoover around.

So yes, I do hope that A2A makes a helo and use the R22 as at least one of them as it would have a huge market place in my opinion.

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The contra-rotating prop helicopters is always something that fascinates me. Working on conventional helicopters for a living I can not fathom how those coaxial designs work. Especially since they spin in opposite directions, and you would have to change all of the flight control inputs from one rotor swashplate to the next. Cool videos though.

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I did all of my flight training on the R22/R44. Great training machines and quite fun to fly. I have now moved on to the 206 and 206LR but i still get to fly the R44 at work every once in a while.

The problem with helicopters in flight sim is depth perception and feel. When you hover, you are looking at references and make inputs based on them. Also you cannot feel the wind in flight sim which also adds to the joys of hovering. Hovering into wind, cross wind and downwind all feel completely different and require different inputs from the cyclic, collective and pedals. Therefore I rarely fly helis in FSX because I can't use my references properly since there is no depth perception along with the fact that I cant feel the wind and the forces that the wind exhibits on my controls.

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