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 Post subject: Re: P-51 Accusim Status
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:05 pm 
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:mrgreen: have you ever had to polish a whole aircraft ? That is the answer plain and simple much less work to keep her looking nice.

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 Post subject: Re: P-51 Accusim Status
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:54 pm 
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Mig_Driver wrote:
Is this due to FAA visibility regulations, aircraft owner preference, ease of keeping clean, or just nobody making flat paint anymore?


i've heard several times its a harder paint, so less likely to chip off, rust, easier to just wipe etc etc


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 Post subject: Re: P-51 Accusim Status
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:47 pm 
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They used flat paint during war because it's lighter, quicker application, and easy to blend colors in after repairing damage. They use gloss now because, frankly, it looks muhc nicer. It's really the paint scheme that matters, rather than the sheen and quality of the paint.

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 Post subject: Re: P-51 Accusim Status
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:57 pm 
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Glass paint is also easier to clean because it is clear coated. You will notice on aircraft with tactical paint schemes that dirt/exhaust stains get embedded in the paint, and the only way to get rid of them is to sand them down & paint them over! I know this all to well being a painter in the Navy. Just look at one of our H-60's compared to the Coast Guard's/Homeland Securities with their fancy gloss paint jobs and you will see. 8)

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 Post subject: Re: P-51 Accusim Status
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:19 am 
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Roadburner,

Not wanting to get off topic but...I've always been told that "glossy"(metallic) fighters can be spotted from far, giving away the element of surprise.

Or is it the other way round: to intentionally attrack attention?

What you say?

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 Post subject: Re: P-51 Accusim Status
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:48 am 
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Matte paint is a tactical consideration, yes. I've never polished an entire aircraft (just parts of them, as part of a team of doing it... to make it look nice for display) but have painted tanks and Land Rovers matte green and black for exactly the anti-reflection reason stated.

If you read historical accounts of some of the most famous "detections" in aviation history, the aircraft was usually spotted by some form of reflection, usually off the canopy, which is kind of hard to stop being reflective. However tactical paint is always going to be matte specifically to reduce the amount of reflection and hence visibility in combat. That doesn't apply to display aircraft, where a photo of a wing or canopy glinting in the summer sunshine can be the perfect photo for an enthusiast to buy - or a pro photographer to sell.

I certainly wouldn't say that gloss takes less maintenance - although it definitely does reduce the amount of marking and staining from oils and general grime. To keep a display aircraft in perfect condition takes a heck of a lot of effort by a heck of a lot of people. However sorry Peter, weight and ease of "blending" have nothing to do with matte paint being applied to combat aircraft. Matte surfaces are about visibility. Avoiding detection until the last possible second is critical in a combat environment. Read the number of descriptions about the fact that the aircraft you don't see is the one that shoots you down.

A display aircraft, on the other hand, is designed to be seen, designed to look good. Gloss looks better than matte on camera and to the eye of joe public.

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 Post subject: Re: P-51 Accusim Status
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:24 pm 
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:shock: :shock: WOW!!!!I just watch videos and read all about this project and Im so impressed!!!
You do some amazing things continue like that!
I'll buy it for sure!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: P-51 Accusim Status
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:34 pm 
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Bruce Hamilton wrote:
Scott - A2A wrote:
...even though she is fully functional in the simulator, she is still a good ways off.


That certainly is a disappointment... :|

Quality over quantity. You know they're doing it right.

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 Post subject: P-51 Accusim Status
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:37 pm 
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Ian P wrote:
Matte paint is a tactical consideration, yes. I've never polished an entire aircraft (just parts of them, as part of a team of doing it... to make it look nice for display) but have painted tanks and Land Rovers matte green and black for exactly the anti-reflection reason stated.

If you read historical accounts of some of the most famous "detections" in aviation history, the aircraft was usually spotted by some form of reflection, usually off the canopy, which is kind of hard to stop being reflective. However tactical paint is always going to be matte specifically to reduce the amount of reflection and hence visibility in combat. That doesn't apply to display aircraft, where a photo of a wing or canopy glinting in the summer sunshine can be the perfect photo for an enthusiast to buy - or a pro photographer to sell.

I certainly wouldn't say that gloss takes less maintenance - although it definitely does reduce the amount of marking and staining from oils and general grime. To keep a display aircraft in perfect condition takes a heck of a lot of effort by a heck of a lot of people. However sorry Peter, weight and ease of "blending" have nothing to do with matte paint being applied to combat aircraft. Matte surfaces are about visibility. Avoiding detection until the last possible second is critical in a combat environment. Read the number of descriptions about the fact that the aircraft you don't see is the one that shoots you down.

A display aircraft, on the other hand, is designed to be seen, designed to look good. Gloss looks better than matte on camera and to the eye of joe public.

Ian P.

the matte grey being the hardest to spot.

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 Post subject: Re: P-51 Accusim Status
PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:44 am 
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Quality?OVER quality you mean!!!
It's amazing to see what they can do for FSX!!It's like a whole new simulator! :mrgreen:
I just download the P 51 Pilot's manual and all what is explained in, seems to be simulated in their Accu sim...
There is such a gap between all addons I have tried and this accu-simed plane.
At least, we can fail an engine run up, all failures can come if we don't properly manage the plane....sooo good!!
Don't listen to poeple who can't wait, just make it perfect, take the time it should take to get it high!!!
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 Post subject: Re: P-51 Accusim Status
PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:19 am 
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jasonmcmillan wrote:
Quality?OVER quality you mean!!!
It's amazing to see what they can do for FSX!!It's like a whole new simulator! :mrgreen:
I just download the P 51 Pilot's manual and all what is explained in, seems to be simulated in their Accu sim...
There is such a gap between all addons I have tried and this accu-simed plane.
At least, we can fail an engine run up, all failures can come if we don't properly manage the plane....sooo good!!
Don't listen to poeple who can't wait, just make it perfect, take the time it should take to get it high!!!
:wink: :wink:

........but I waaaant it neeeoowww :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: P-51 Accusim Status
PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:36 pm 
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Blaze2456 wrote:
jasonmcmillan wrote:
Quality?OVER quality you mean!!!
It's amazing to see what they can do for FSX!!It's like a whole new simulator! :mrgreen:
I just download the P 51 Pilot's manual and all what is explained in, seems to be simulated in their Accu sim...
There is such a gap between all addons I have tried and this accu-simed plane.
At least, we can fail an engine run up, all failures can come if we don't properly manage the plane....sooo good!!
Don't listen to poeple who can't wait, just make it perfect, take the time it should take to get it high!!!
:wink: :wink:

........but I waaaant it neeeoowww :mrgreen:


No whining!

It will be ready when it is ready!!!

So why isn't it ready????

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 Post subject: Re: P-51 Accusim Status
PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:02 pm 
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Because it isn't ready.

It'll be ready when it's ready when they are ready for it to be ready after the testers say it's ready for the rest of us that are ready for it to be ready.

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 Post subject: Re: P-51 Accusim Status
PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:36 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: P-51 Accusim Status
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:18 am 
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Oh boy, can't wait for this one!! Can you post a few more screenies, please? :D

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