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 Post subject: an Accusim-Planes Rally?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:34 am 
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Hi!

Now we have the planes to enjoy them, flying as real as they should, sometimes I wonder why I fly P51Civ? Yes, of course the pleasure to fly it, but would you like to have something more?

I was searching tours and things to make with my P51civ. But I don't like the idea of the tours. In Ivao if you have to land other place because a problem or weather, you have to repeat the flight.. and there are loooots of flights to complete. Not fun enough, and sometimes frustrating.

I then was thinking about races... Would be cool to have races with the P51 in a virtual Reno airshow eh??!!! Well I would like to!! but don't know where we can find that.

I am more of relax flying. More of time to time events... and I was thinking... "ey! a Rally!"
Didn't find anything interesting. But even if I find it other people would fly planes with no posibility of break.. so they could manage the engines without problems!

What do you think of this comunity creating a RALLY across any country (well I live in Europe, but no problem making for example un USA) where we don't have to connect online, but just download a register program that check out our route, and time from takeoff to land? We could make some rules like:

1. The pilot has to land in several airports choosen until the final gate across country. Maybe 200nm each in between? (could be a minor rally for the piper ones)

2. The planes to participate could be all the ACCUSIM planes where there would be a ladder with winners in each type of planes and general one.

3. Because beeying accusim planes we can have problems and even dropouts! But if you manage to continue flying your plane with a failure, you could only fix the problem in certain airports (not all would give maintenance support)

4. Of course the Rally can be made offline, and the only requisite is to have the blackbox program (I think there are some free in the market) so when you park the plane you can send your file to analize it the portal and post your time results in a qualification ladder. Of course more fun if we just connect online some of us. Real weather is important I believe.
This could be done from a begging date to a finished one. Maybe a couple of months or more to let all users fly it. And of course can be repeated (but once the pilot end or dropout)

Well.. I don't want to give so many rules, because maybe this idea just blow away... but I think loooots of good things can be done with our Accusim planes. If A2A could give us some kind of programming support, it would be good for us and for them, because that would bring new pilots to them.

What do you think?

Thanks!


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:09 am 
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118 reads and noone has anythign to say? :(


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:11 am 
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I do, but have not had time. I think you should use the honor system for keeping score. I have some rally ideas and courses.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:18 am 
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Thanks for reply!

Well.. I don't know what is the honor system. Will search. But the most important thing is to find a program that shows you the time when you takeoff and land to make the time it toke to you to reach the next airport. Of course lot of cheat can be done, but this is for fun, so first people would do it right.
Then it comes the program to upload the times you did to the portal.

The idea is to start with something very basic. If we have fun.. we can rework the system and make it better with rules, etc...


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:08 am 
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In a spanish forum someone posted this tool:

https://sites.google.com/site/fsebprl/duenna

Maybe is good enough for this purpose... Don't see the chronometer function, but is for races I guess. Also would be interesting to modify the takeoff and landing locations to start timing.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:12 am 
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I think you're thinking too hard. It's just for fun, I don't think you need hard evidence of someone's victory.

The rally should focus on one plane. Each one has it's own strengths and any given race type has it's ideal plane. A2A does not have dozens of similar planes like other companies do. If it's a long distance run, just load up the B377 with it's 47,000 lbs of fuel...

If you want a P-51 course, then it should focus on it's high speed, long distance qualities. Further, I think the course should have fuel stop strategy in it. I mean, otherwise you'll just be buzzing your engine along, accusim or not.



All my ideas have the same ground rules. VFR flight. Use real-world weather. I understand that this doesn't make the simulation 100% fair but who cares, no weather is boring and same weather for 1000's of nm is boring too.

There's "checkpoint" airports which must be landed at to count. This is as simple as one wheel down. ATC should be followed as applies to VFR. Getting between checkpoint airports should be done via airways or other standard navigation. My routes involve radio navigation so the pilot has something to do on the flight. Actual routing is up to the pilot which is where a lot of strategy comes in.

If you need to do anything to your plane, such as refuel, you must land at an airport (any airport is fine) and taxi to the fuel pump or where ever might be appropriate for the P-51, such as in front of the terminal at a small airport.

Having anything done to the plane during a pit stop carries a time penalty. All pit stops must be at least 60 minutes long. Here's some examples I came up with:

Fluids

Fuel 30m
Oxygen 20m
Others 10m each

Inspections

Maintenance hanger window 0m
Engine window 0m
Compression test 1h

Repairs

Filters 1h each
(Oil, fuel, air)
Minor 2h each
(pumps, generator, starter, magnetos, ect)
Major External 4h each
(supercharger, landing gear, ect)
Major Internal 8h each
(Main bearings, cylinders, ect)


There's two time-saving options I thought of for your pit stops, the quick fuel option, and the engine rebuild option.

Quick fuel: If you waive the ability to check the maintenance hangar and associated windows during this pit stop, then this pit stop does not have a minimum time. In other words, you could park, fuel, take your 30m penalty, and then take off again if you don't inspect anything on the plane.

Engine Rebuild: If you have to replace the main bearings or a cylinder (for the cost of 8h) you can repair anything else you want to at 1/4 the time cost. So if you take 8h to replace the main bearings, you can replace your supercharger for 1h, and your starter for 30m, for a total repair time of 9h30m.


Anyway. that's it for the rules. Pretty simple. Your routes need to take into consideration airways and fuel economy. Where should you stop, and when? How fast to fly? Fuel up at a checkpoint runway or this little airstrip that's on the way?


I can think of three rally types.

-Minor fuel planning

Minor fuel planning would be over a relatively populated land mass where your actual plan of fuel use is relatively unimportant because when you run low you can stop just about anywhere and load up some more. Focus here would be fast running and repeated fuel stops.

I have a sample flight plan that follows the two extreme corners of the United States, stopping at interesting places along the way approx 200-400nm between. It starts at PADU (Dutch Harbor, AK) and ends at KEYW (Key West, FL.)

-Major fuel planning

Major fuel planning would be island hopping or the equivalent, over vast expanses of area with very little in terms of airports. Here the checkpoints are up to 1000nm between (although I try to keep them 200-400) and as a result fuel planning is very important because you'll drop into the ocean if you don't dial back to cruise power settings.

I tried to keep things interesting with my sample flight island hops from the remote NTGJ (Totegegie Island in French Polynesia) all the way to RJTT (Tokyo, Japan.)

-Strategic style

More of a "game" style. Where the other ideas for rally is "who gets there first," this idea has a race in a certain area, with area airports have assigned point values to them, with pilots given a set amount of time (say 12hr) to land at as many airports as they can in the time alloted and get the most points.

Pilots can start at any airport with points, but they don't get the points for that airport. Fuel stops and repair time penalties works as it does in the other rally types.

This works best with a relatively small area but not too small that it's just a bunch of take offs and landings. I thought the UK and Ireland would make a good spot for this.

The race would occur at a set time and the players would set the game time for this and not change it till the destination, except adding time as needed for pit stops so you don't have to sit idle at your computer. For people who have weather programs that set weather to historical records would be ideal to make it fun but justing present weather through FSX would work too.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:52 am 
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Good!! Constructive things!

Well.. I like your ideas, but I think it is important to let the higher number of people participate. For that I think is important we have offline flight options, any day any time... and not too long distances. Something like 1-2 hours flying the most. Remember (me the first) that we fathers don't have too much time to fly.
I have to test the duenna program....

Would be good if the only allowed navigation would be VOR-NDB ones, and not possibility to use the GPS. Of course visual also.

I like the ideas of fast-rally (that is what I though) and challenging ones.. as well as a "24h-lemans" one with refueling and touch and go airfiels.... But that is too much for me!! This has to be done by several people and I think 1 rally to start is enough!! hehe.

I have been looking at Nisca Bush Pilot Racing League. That is something more or less I would like for this one, but with a2a planes with accusim. The Niska racing league is with mostly default free planes:

https://sites.google.com/site/fsebprl/

but I like the way they make things.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:17 pm 
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Great!

The Duenna program is what I was looking for. Even that program was created to be used for racing in fs9 and fsx.. so thats it!!!
It takes the time from takeoff to landing and make a showing of the route followed, even it checks if you have some options of realism set on to avoid cheat!

So the only we need is to choose some airports to land and some rules... and we can go.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:41 pm 
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Sounds like a great idea.....
I would enter, but time makes it almost impossible with work schedule....But here are some ideas......How about a massive flight of accusim aircraft, as an around the world ralley, running on just the aircrafts main and wing tanks.....
To make thing even more interesting we could let pilots from that country or city to host the landing, fuel and start of the next leg of the flight.....
Each hosting pilot could set the time and date when the flight heads from the tarmac to the runway for takeoff, and escort the flight to the next airport.....
Of course this would have to be done with default airports......

Just an idea.....Maybe sometime down the line.....


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:59 pm 
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Well.. I was testing the Duenna program and it is working good, and it is what we could need for making the races. Well, I have a problem making it to verify that I have the real time weather, but I don't care about that, because I always do with OpusFSX.

The idea of the tour is to make a rally OFFLINE so anyone would join when he/she wants. If it is possible with no limit time. Lets say a continous race circuit of severla airports cross country where there is no winners but just a ladder of time-records.

Well.. The problem I see is to make it all automatic, so once duenna or other program upload the data, the record ladders updates also.
But that is an idea. I know not so many people are replying because they preffer to see before opinion or join.

I discovered that already there is a round the world race with duenna program:

http://forum.avsim.net/forum/227-avsims ... ace-forum/

The thing is that I wanted to move that (not necesary world turn.. could be less distance of course!) with Accu-sim planes. Just because want the plane to go very fast, there can be several engines damaged.... and that is fun. How control your thrust to preserve your plane until you find the next airport you can fix the plane (maybe not possible in all of the race. No all neither has fuel to refuel the plane)


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:28 am 
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Sounds like you're wanting something like this??

http://bluegrassairlines.com/operations ... index.html

Held every Feb.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:28 am 
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Thank you!

But as the world race event... it is over also.
Well.. seems that the idea wasn't success, so.....


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