Lose elevator control at mid approach.

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superglide
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Lose elevator control at mid approach.

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I really like the 250. I have 15hrs on her.

Everything was fine, all aspects of the plane coming along nicely. I had a power outage and my PC went to UPS. I think that might be when the elevator control problem began. That or when I started learning the Input Configurator. Didn't like the results so went back to my FSUIPC controller for my CH Eclipse and Quad.

Now in flight intial approach when i come off AP, decrease power, start descent, trim for descent rate and speed everything is stable thru about mid approach 4-7nms.
Suddenly its as if my rudder cable had snapped and i go into a dive. Power to idle, but no response on the elevator. No control and into the surface. Ka-Boom.

I don't have this problem on my T210 nor RE Duke Turb0 V2.

Hardware all seems OK. Have reloaded my 250. Deleted the Inp Confg ini. Reset axis and control inputs in FSUIPC. Deleted the A2A250 control ini. No joy.

Just have to fly other planes in the hangar til i get it worked out.

Thanks for any help or ideas.
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Re: Lose elevator control at mid approach.

Post by Nick - A2A »

Joe,

It sounds like a trip to the virtual maintenance hangar may be in order. By default, this is accessed with shift + 7 and should allow you to repair the broken elevator hinge or actuator which is likely to be the culprit here.

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See my post on saved flights and preflights.
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Re: Lose elevator control at mid approach.

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Yesterday I lost my elevator on C182 too.
I had around 15 hours with her.

Maybe, some recent Accu-Sim update could have introduced increased chance of this failure.

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If I'm not mistaken your flight time doesn't really have an impact on this. I think those are random failures (please someone correct me if I'm wrong). But you can usually catch something in the preflight inspection. A missing nut, a broken hinge. Just remember that the failures are visible in the walkaround feature but they're not pointed out to you. Look closely at everything and try to catch the changes.
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The problem is that if you spot something on the walk around there is no way to correct the problem unless it also shows up in the maintenance hanger, but if you can just go to maintenance hanger why do the walk around? The problem is with serious flight control problems that don't show up in the walk around or maintenance hanger but happen in flight.

I have been thinking about this problem from a gaming and programing perspective as well as an aviation perspective but have not figured out yet how A2A solved it.
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Re: Lose elevator control at mid approach.

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If I do a complete overhaul, that should correct it if it is a mechanical problem, right?
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Re: Lose elevator control at mid approach.

Post by Oracle427 »

bullfox,

This is exactly like RL. If I spot an issue during the walkaround, there's nothing I can do about it and have to ground the airplane until the mechanic has the time to look at it. In reality they aren't going to go over the entire airplane and find every issue, but it's a fair compromise I think.

For example, if the cotter pin holding the upper elevator cable to the control horn came off the nut, I will not fly the airplane. First, I don't have cotter pins handy and second, it is not legal for me to fix it anyway.

The walk around adds to the immersion and trains one to have a critical eye to spot these very important issues that don't jump out screaming at you.
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Re: Lose elevator control at mid approach.

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Good advice. I can tell your not shooting any bull. First addon aircraft I've owned with that level of simulation.

The complete overhaul seems to have solved it for now.

I'll take another look at the walk around and manuals.

Now that she's in great shape, don't want a mess up the paint again.

Thanks for the get back.
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Re: Lose elevator control at mid approach.

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OK, this one got me in the Skylane today. I did the walk around, everything fine, took off , flew about 20 miles and all of a sudden the C 182 pitched up , stalled, and headed straight down. Disengaged AP, and finally got it flying about 500 AGL, but no elevator control. Restarted flight, did walk around again, everything looked normal, maintenace hangar said I was good to go, still no elevator control. I did complete overhaul, and now everything is working. 8)
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No fun when Poltergeist get into your airplane and you can't figure it out! A trip to the maintenance hanger for an overhaul or maybe an Exorcism on your airplane is in order. I hate it when the preflight or going to the maintenance hanger doesn't give you a clue what the problem is and you have to resort to a complete overhaul to fix the problem. Oh well, better safe than sorry!

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Re: Lose elevator control at mid approach.

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Good to read this stuff is still being discovered by people, we put a lot of work into the randomness and making sure not every customer will experience issues whilst other might get a real lemon and making sure you can still potentially fly hundreds if not a thousand hours without a single issue other than standard TBO times etc.

With CPU's you get the silicon lottery, guess we have the Accu-sim lottery :mrgreen:

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