CTD when loading C172 - P3dv4.1

[Turbine777]

Hello folks,
I'm unable to load the A2A C172 into P3dv4.1 without a CTD. Lots of info here so please read.


Fresh install of Win10 64 Pro (a few days ago now).
Fresh install of P3dv4.1 (not just an update).
Latest update A2A_Update_10_12_17 installed (though it wouldn't be a factor for this).
A2A C172 happily in my hangar with 102 hours of flight time. Many hours HAVE been from no issues flights in P3dv4.1 (maintained hours from backup of C172RLog.dat, though it is also not the issue - I checked).
P3d and all my addons are installed on one of my SSD's that I have full control of. Checked all permissions of it and my documents where addons reside.
Verified that A2A_Accusim.dll and accompanying 2 folders are in C:\Users\Dan\Documents\Prepar3D v4 Add-ons\A2A\Gauges after each reinstall.
Manually installed the simconnect from ..\FSX-SP2-XPACK\retail\lib --->
Direct X installer finished without issue after each reinstall of A2A ----> Thanks, Nick.

No issues since fresh installs until today. Nothing new installed today, but in the past few days I have installed:
- Oculus Rift (and have tested with 172 with no issues).
- Windows 10 fall update.
*The A2A C172 was the last thing I installed and was tested thoroughly with the exception to the two above items.

I cannot be certain that I flew the A2A C172 since the fall update until today so I don't know if there were issues directly after.
After a day of uninstalling and reinstalling the A2A C172 (both manual and auto on the uninstall), disabling windows defender and the new security features the fall update came with (via group policy), I still get the same CTD.
I have also now uninstalled the fall update and blocked all future updates from Win10 via it's pause updates for 35 days feature.

I have read what I could find on the forum. I have read the posted (2013) Troubleshooting FAQ and followed what is relevant to p3d, A2A and my installed software.


Things I have noticed that were odd to me:
- The A2A uninstaller didn't remove the folder in my C:\Users\Dan\Documents\Prepar3D v4 Add-ons folder, though I manually did so. I also removed the left over A2A folders and files from "C:\Users\Dan\AppData\Roaming\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v4\SimObjects" and "C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs".
- NO errors in windows event viewer under application after any of the many CTD's. This one has me baffled as to how that could be.
- Although I uninstalled and deleted everything I could not find how it was that each reinstall I was not prompted for an install key for registration of any kind. What did I miss to delete? A lurking registry key is all I can imagine.

At first I noticed this when loading the A2A C172 from the start screen, but I then tried loading it (many times) once within P3d and at default, non-payware airports. Soon as I load it p3d freezes and crashes after about 10 seconds, and once again with no errors in the event logs.

Any help appreciated. If I left anything out simply let me know and I'll answer asap.
Thanks,
Dan

[Nick - A2A]

Hello Dan,

Thanks for the detailed info in your post.

One thing you don't mention is installing the SimConnect client after your clean install of Windows and P3Dv4.1. This would be the first thing I'd try. The SimConnect.msi you need to run can be found in the following location:

C:\Program Files\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v4\redist\Interface\FSX-SP2-XPACK\retail\lib\SimConnect.msi.

The behaviour you describe whereby the installer doesn't remove all the A2A files in "My Documents\Prepar3D v4 Add-ons" is normal. This is because some of these files are shared between A2A installations.

Also, did the Microsoft DirectX installer run successfully? (The one that launches after you install the C172.)

Thanks,
Nick

[Turbine777]

Heya Nick!
Thanks for the reply.

Yes, I manually installed that specific simconnect from ..\FSX-SP2-XPACK\retail\lib already since one addon I use (Air Hauler 2 beta) needs it as well. I actually left out many things to not write a novel, but during a couple of the reinstalls I installed the same simconnect again and again.

Yes to Direct X as well. It installed just fine and finished rather than just closing.

Thanks for the info on the normal that I thought was odd. Makes sense but it's my only A2A product so didn't make that connection.

*I added those two things to my initial post.

[Turbine777]

I should also mention that I am no longer playing in VR. Not until I can get my favorite bird flying again.

[Turbine777]

I've been working hard at trying to get it running again. Still no luck but maybe some new information.

I just did another fresh install for the 172 but this time I chose to not put it in my docs folder in case something got hosed in either the registry or possibly if the new security system in windows 10 fall update blocked something back when it was active (before I disabled it). I also decided to take another flight with a different aircraft for a bit to further test P3d's stability. The flight was about 90 minutes with no issues other than low fps at my destination airport. I may have found a clue to something unintended. I had the fps showing toward the end of my flight. FPS was only 20fps max. Since I was going to shut down p3d anyway, I decided to try again and I switched to the A2A C172. Now the same thing happened this time as before but I still had the fps showing. The fps was crazy high for the 1.5 seconds before p3d freezing. 156.5 upon freezing. I managed to get a screenshot before this CTD to show the fps. I have idea what could be tied to the A2A doing this or what.




Other than that, this is the only A2A log I can find after the latest install attempt. It's the wos_c172.log
*Sorry for the length. I couldn't find a spoiler tag in the bbcode.

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***  Installation Started 10/21/2017 18:51  ***
Title: A2A C172 Trainer Professional for P3Dv4 Installation
Source: A:\Hangar\BU\Aircraft\A2A C172 Trainer\C172_P3D_Professional\C172_P3Dv4_Professional.EXE
Made Dir: A:\Hangar\A2A
Made Dir: A:\Hangar\A2A\\A2A
Made Dir: A:\Hangar\A2A\\A2A\Cessna172
File Copy: A:\Hangar\A2A\\A2A\Cessna172\UNWISE.EXE
RegDB Key: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\A2A C172 Trainer Professional for P3Dv4
RegDB Val: A2A C172 Trainer Professional for P3Dv4
RegDB Name: DisplayName
RegDB Root: 2
RegDB Key: Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\A2A C172 Trainer Professional for P3Dv4
RegDB Val: A:\Hangar\A2A\\A2A\Cessna172\UNWISE.EXE A:\Hangar\A2A\\A2A\Cessna172\wos_c172.log
RegDB Name: UninstallString
RegDB Root: 2
File Copy: A:\Hangar\A2A\A2A\Cessna172\dxwebsetup.exe
Made Dir: A:\Hangar\A2A\SimObjects
Made Dir: A:\Hangar\A2A\SimObjects\Airplanes
Made Dir: A:\Hangar\A2A\SimObjects\Airplanes\\A2A_C172
File Copy: A:\Hangar\A2A\SimObjects\Airplanes\\A2A_C172\aircraft.cfg
File Copy: A:\Hangar\A2A\SimObjects\Airplanes\\A2A_C172\C172.air
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File Copy: A:\Hangar\A2A\SimObjects\Airplanes\\A2A_C172\RXPGNS_dual.INI
Made Dir: A:\Hangar\A2A\SimObjects\Airplanes\\A2A_C172\model
File Copy: A:\Hangar\A2A\SimObjects\Airplanes\\A2A_C172\model\c172_interior_p3d4.MDL
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File Copy: A:\Hangar\A2A\SimObjects\Airplanes\\A2A_C172\model\model.cfg
Made Dir: A:\Hangar\A2A\SimObjects\Airplanes\\A2A_C172\panel
File Copy: A:\Hangar\A2A\SimObjects\Airplanes\\A2A_C172\panel\C172.dll
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File Copy: A:\Hangar\A2A\SimObjects\Airplanes\\A2A_C172\panel\panel_RXP_dual.cfg
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[Turbine777]

The last of my day was mostly uneventful:

*To save typing, "Uninstalled A2A" means I was sure to clean up after the fact and tossed in a reboot for good measure. "Reinstalled A2A" means I reinstalled it (right click Admin) with no installation issues, followed by Direct X with no issues and verified all files were where they needed to be. Also to note, p3d or the tiniest of addons I install only via right click = admin (even though I'm miles from program files).

The Client only approach:
1.) Uninstalled A2A - left uninstalled.
2.) Via control Panel, uninstalled P3dv4.1 client.
3.) rebooted again for safe measure (only to be able to honestly type here that I did).
4.) Reinstalled client.
5.) Reinstalled A2A.
6.) CTD - Order of events = default scenery to check stability for 20 minutes, let sit, brought in 172 = crash.

The full on repair:
1.) Uninstalled A2A - left uninstalled.
2.) Ran the P3dv4.1 installer (via admin rights of course) and ran the repair option.
3.) Reinstalled A2A.
4.) Freeze and CTD same as before.

Delete all preferences:
* Most apps, like FS9, FSX, P3d, Adobe products, etc, you can reset the program or app settings or preferences by holding Alt+Control+Shift (Windows) or Option+Command+Shift (Mac OS) while clicking the executable (note I did this with R-click and admin).
1.) Uninstalled A2A.
2.) Reset P3d via the method above. For safe measure I deleted the Prepar3D.cfg also.
3.) Reinstalled A2A.
4.) It actually loaded with no issue at first. Sadly I didn't spend much time with it, but I saw that it didn't freeze and even brought up a few menus via the shift+number keys. The aircraft was brought in to a running A36 and the engines shut down, as expected. The cold and dark menu worked and I exited the sim to retry and see if at least my state was saved.
5.) After restart/reload - Freeze and CTD as before.

For what it's worth; I ALWAYS install everything out of Program files and Program files(x86) and always set my actual executables to "run as admin" via the properties, comparability checkbox.

I set FSUIPC to log and there is nothing worthy of this issue. I have the registered v5 installed but have not used it at all since my fresh install.
Wish I had a verbose method of logging since my event logs are still cleaner than I'd like, however, I finally rushed the crash process by clicking the unresponsive P3D window enough after attempting to load the A2A C172 to where it said "Unresponsive" and forced P3dv4.1 closed. This behavior did produced an event in the event logs (though I don't know if it's legit):

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Faulting application name: Prepar3D.exe, version: 4.1.7.22841, time stamp: 0x59d67e95
Faulting module name: KERNELBASE.dll, version: 10.0.15063.674, time stamp: 0x93d2100b
Exception code: 0xe06d7363
Fault offset: 0x0000000000069e08
Faulting process id: 0xf1c
Faulting application start time: 0x01d34af2a4c6b371
Faulting application path: A:\Hangar\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v4\Prepar3D.exe
Faulting module path: C:\Windows\System32\KERNELBASE.dll
Report Id: 89dcf63b-403c-436c-8899-6db27c700cb8
Faulting package full name: 
Faulting package-relative application ID: 

The KERNELBASE.dll error would be a system error, but I'm still not sold on that and rather troubleshoot further rather than another OS reinstall as a bandaid fix without knowing the actual issue.

[Nick - A2A]

Thanks for all the added information Dan.

From the installer log you posted, everything seems to be in order. Does Windows 10 automatically assign the drive letter "A:" to the first non-bootable physical drive, or did you manually change this setting within the OS after you reinstalled it? (I still use Windows 7.) At any rate, have you tried using the default installation directory for the A2A 172, just for testing purposes?

The only other thing I can think of is that some Windows component is missing after your clean OS reinstall. As far as I'm aware, the A2A software isn't dependent on Microsoft Visual C++ redistributables or Microsoft .NET Framework, but maybe there's something else not present.

Hopefully Lewis from A2A or someone else will have some other ideas...

Nick

[Turbine777]

Hey, Nick.

The install onto to the A: drive was a one time thing and only that particular time to just try to move it for testing. All other times it was the default A2A directory.

I agree that something on the OS side must be at fault. I still think that something got blocked at some point before I came aware of it with the new Fall update. The fall update has a ton of security updates and I can either uninstall P3d completely and try again, most likely to have the same issues if I'm right about something being blocked somewhere. I remember once having this issue years ago where the only way I could free it was to reactivate the firewall and find the exactly correct exception to enter to unblock a module. I think it was when Vista first came out, but not sure (long ago). There isn't a simple list I know of to see what windows 10 may have blocked but I can feel that constrained windows know best protection crap being the culprit. Windows 7 was certainly a much better platform for us techies to keep control over our beasts.

That all being said, I favor a small couple of things in Win10 for my other software and computing needs so will give it one more shot to redeem itself, but I happily still have my nice shiny Win7 Ultimate disc standing by. My install prior to this reinstall was fine on the p3d side. I only reinstalled to fix some lingering .net issues I wanted to clear up and hoped a fresh p3d4.1 install would pay back the effort. Doh! I was wrong.

It will be a day or three before I get back up and running but will report back. I'd still like to see if Lewis or anyone can see anything I missed. I have a feeling this sort of thing will become common if this win10 fall update is the wrench in the turbine and if so, it's just the beginning.

[Lewis - A2A]

Hello,

given the pointing toward a system issue, between P3D installs have you restarted the system and ran something like CCleaner to clean the reg etc?

thanks
Lewis

[Turbine777]

Hi, Lewis.

Yes and no. Yes, I rebooted a trillion and 10 times, but no on any CCleaner (and never again). With everything I wrote above and seeing the lack of event logging, I doubt it was a registry issue and ccleaner (as well as carelessness on my part probably) hosed one of my better installs. If I were on Win 7 I would still use it but even though I backed up my registry before hand each time and carefully went through each and every box before checking, it isn't windows 10 friendly, for me. Some use it, but this isn't just my sim box, it's an eleven grand brain/server of my studio, haha.

In any case, I am finally error free and keeping a tight spreadsheet on install order as I did last time. Everything I install has a reboot for safe measure after and the a load into p3d. It's not needed, but I've been simming since the Timex Synclair 1000 and better safe than sorry. I blocked windows update from the start this time and no fall update this time. I'd put my money on it but like Nick mentioned it could of also been just something gone wrong with the OS install. I'm normally more of a glutton for punishment, being that I hate not knowing the issue more than reinstalling anything. Unfortunately I have to keep this rig up 100% for much more than our great hobby.

Thanks for the help. Should I run into it again I will have quite the diary spreadsheet to hopefully help anyone else having such an odd thing happen.

PS. For those thinking of trying any registry cleaner, always uncheck anything .net. You may not even know you have an issue for months and when you narrow it down you will not be able to simply reinstall it and Microsoft's .net repair tool is beyond useless.

[Lewis - A2A]

Hello,

I wouldn't blame windows 10 itself as its a pretty good system OS, I've used it on all my systems for a good while now and would not go back to Win7. It could however have been a update corruption as you mention and I'd put my money more in this area.

thanks,
Lewis

[Turbine777]

Not blaming windows 10. I'm saying CCleaner isn't good on it even if your attention span is higher than a grape. I have 12 computer certs and 2 licenses. I've had 10 18 months before the public beta. I know a tad about what I'm saying. As a software manufacturer that has to deal with a million calls a day saying the software is to blame and not the fact that their dumbass self who chose to delete system critical files on a whim, etc, etc. In other words, I see why MS has to micro manage, but windows 7 whether you know it or not (I do) is FAR more less hand holding and you don't need to go into group policy or registry tweaks to tell it to stop micromanaging. Fact is fact. You can say what you wish, but fact is fact.


Thanks,
Dan

[Lewis - A2A]

Well as you say that hand holding is needed, it tends to be pretty low unless you are more business orientated and in that case there are relevant products. The issue with blaming software as you say is that no one takes any blame themselves lol. Knowing how a computer work in the fs hobby for example would have prevented the myth that sims cant be installed in the program files folder, my personal pet peeve of ignorance over education of the system, and in this case simple folder permission that hasn't changed much since windows 95

Anyway it sounds like we can both shoot the proverbial poop all day on this stuff haha, let us know if you discovered what affects the 172 on your system. If you ID any other software or add-on causing a bump in the road for you we could maybe reach out and see if a solution can be found. Sometimes its as simple as a programmer forgetting to offload things once used.

thanks,
Lewis