Canterbury Industry Target

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Canterbury Industry Target

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(copied from the BDG Beta Testers forum)

This Target is at the right place. For the old Barracks. Ben remade it for v2.11 as an army barracks, which is the only thing at Canterbury worth bombing.
Looks like this, with barracks placed at what was the Cavalry Barracks portion:

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I found only 4 images of the layout of the Depot. Good enough to make this place more realistic to 1940.

A 1907 map. Does not show the Cavalry Barracks except the SW corner.

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From oldmaps.com dated 1938.

xxxx not shown publicly due to Crown copyright.

This is Google Earth in the 1940s.
We have underlying industrial terrain at where the Cavalry Barracks (yellow dot) was. I had to adapt as well as can to the fields where the Artillery (red dot) and Infantry (blue dot) Barracks were. OK.

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This is Google Earth, 1960. Shows all 3 Barracks good for that time.

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I made 59 real objects in the I_CANTER bin file. 31 of which are target elements, yellow dots. Red dot is "target central".
All targets are barracks buildings, plus 3 Station HQs, and 2 armories.

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Here with ObjectAdds. 107 OA objects which I put into an unused OA file called Manston area.

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Another view:

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This is a fairly wide spread Target. Stukas will split up and try to hit targets in all of the area.
They do not just all bomb "target central".
However! If the "target central" building is destroyed, then Dive Bombers will not bomb anything at the Target. This is the "I cannot see the target!" bug.

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Re: Canterbury Industry Target

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(copied from the BDG Beta Testers forum)

There is another, newer Army Barracks 0.64 miles southeast of the old Canterbury Barracks.
Called Howe Barracks and built in the 1930s, I think.
Howe Barracks still exists today. Due to be abandoned next year 2017.

Wikipedia has this to about both of the old and the newer Howe Barracks:

"Permanent barracks were first established in Canterbury when William Baldock initiated construction of “St Gregory’s Barracks”, an infantry barracks on Sturry Road, in 1793.
Sir Edward Hales completed construction of the cavalry barracks slightly further up Sturry Road in 1795 and artillery barracks were built on land between these sites around the same time.
These 18th century barracks, which had become the depot of the Buffs (East Kent Regiment), fell into a state of disrepair in the early part of the 20th century,
were withdrawn from use in the 1930s and were ultimately demolished in 1967.

New barracks were established on a new site, half a mile to the south-east of the old barracks, during the 1930s:
these barracks became the new home of the Buffs (Royal East Kent Regiment."

However, I cannot find this information on the website linked to this statement. It does make sense.

Howe Barracks Google Earth 1940s. Right half of image.
In the northeast portion I see what look like mortar or howitzer shell craters peppering the place. The Army needs some room to do Live Firing exercises, by the Gods Of War!

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Here on Oahu, Hawai'i, some of the Native Hawai'ians (not all) get real pissed off when the US 25th Light Infantry Division, or whatever US Marine Corps Expeditionary Brigade is currently stationed here,
do Live Firing exercises on their sacred lands. :evil:
OK.. I understand, tho disagree.
So the 25th Light and the Marines now have to transport the troops 200 miles away to the Big Island (Hawai'i) at the very large Pohakuloqa Training Area which is on the west slope of Mauna Kea summit, OK they need deployment training too.
Which is even more sacred than anything on Oahu.... but the radical religious Native Hawai'ians are too busy trying to chase away all of the many, many astronomical telescopes on Mauna Kea summit, :roll: searching the heavens to see the Eyes of God
to bother with the Army and Marines firing mortars and howitzers up on the slope of Mauna Kea. :)
For every radical religious Native Hawai'ian.. there are 100 veterans of the US Army or US Marine Corps, in his/hers immediate and extended family.
Hawai'ians tend to enlist into the Armed Forces in a greater proportion by population, then even the poor or working class rural white boys, that continue to make up the vast majority of America's Soldiers and Marines.
Most Hawai'ians are too big to fit into a tank, or your average Navy berthing rack, so they generally enlist as Rifleman with the US Marine Corps or US Army.
Yeah. Like the Native American men, they have an old & ancient Warrior heritage, which must be kept up.
OK. Uncle Sam loves you guys!
My 2nd son-in-law is one of those Hawai'ians. US Army. (Democrat)
My 1st son-in-law is a 2nd generation American-Vietnamese, born on the Mekong Delta, 1973, now US Air Force, National Reconnaissance Office, Virginia. (Republican)
Both still servicemen for the United States.
Both my daughters are still solid Democrats. :)
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Howe Barracks Google Earth 1960, with outlines of what I think were the fence lines around both of these Barracks, old and new:

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If I was to use Howe Barracks as the Canterbury "Industry" Target, then the main buildings would fit OK, and be at the proper place, in the two fields outlined.
BTW, Rowan's city and road mapping is, again, very well mapped in this area:

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Perhaps some of my UK cousins can tell me which Barracks were more properly used, summer of 1940.
I have a suspicion that both of them were used to house and train men in those Emergency Days. Right up front, and a bit behind, the expected invasion area.

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Re: Canterbury Industry Target

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While I was poking my stick into Canterbury, digging around,
it came to the BDG's attention that there are somethings missing at Canterbury that was made, but never included during BoBII v2.11 development.

That is.. Canterbury cathedral that Ben made, and all of his ObjectAdds buildings that he made, and populates all of Canterbury city.

Ben has gone missing since the Arab Spring Egyptian revolt, so we cannot ask him about that.
After some back & forth communication between me and PV,
we found some missing texture files that one of us does possess, and that we now both share and possess.

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This reminds of the infamous fire(s) at the Library of Alexandria, Egypt in ancient times.

I am very unclear when this fire, or many fires, occurred at the Alexandria Library.
Some historical conjecture:
Ancient and modern sources identify four possible occasions for the partial or complete destruction of the Library of Alexandria:
- Julius Caesar's fire during his civil war in 48 BC started accidentally by some of his soldiers. (Caesar himself would never give orders to burn it. He had not yet read all the books!)
- The attack of Aurelian in AD 270 – 275. (More uncontrolled battle burns?)
- The decree of Coptic Pope Theophilus of Alexandria in 391 AD. (Christian upon Christian dogma religious repression?)
- The Muslim conquest of Egypt in (or after) AD 642. (Religious repression. If there were any books left.. except the One & Only True Holy book of Quran, which is the only book that men should be allowed to read!)

1. Battle field generated fires have a nasty habit & tendency of getting out of control.
Hey! Shithappens. Take care of which way the wind is blowing, ye dumb monkeys!

2.Extreme Fanatical Religious Intolerance has also resulted in the burning of many a book!
The sword of Christianity, has in the other hand, The Fire of Christianity.
The sword of Islam, has in the other hand, The Fire of Islam.
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I hate it when people burn books, or destroy ancient artifacts, whether by accident or evil intention. I can never get enough books to read!

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Anyway... we recovered the lost artwork and texts to make Canterbury fully, as it was made, then lost... for awhile.

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Canterbury Cathedral front doors.
Note Stukas and Me109s attack approach from the sun.

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Side Back view.

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Apparently Ben loves Canterbury. He built up the entire Town. With as much detail as possible.
I do know that Ben moved to Oxford, another place that he loved, after he and his family had to flee the Egyptian Revolution as refugees.

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A view from the east. Looks like Ben cobbled up 4 Sckools to make an Anglican Church Seminary? I don't know, not being an educated or religious man.

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A view from the west showing the Old Barracks, which are just down the street a piece.

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A view of the Nave. Dunkirk Radars visible and not far away to north.

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A view from the east. I see something standing inside the attached cloister?

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On closer inspection I see a Bishop?
Praying to God, "Please God! Do not let the ignorant, savage, evil, Trumpist Nazis bomb our cathedral, which took Centuries to build, and is always under constant repair!"

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Our BDG resident Scot from Dundee wrote that "Ben's Bishop of Canterbury" looks like the character of Maurice Yeatman (portrayed by Edmund Sinclair) of "Dad's Army" situation comedy fame.

http://dadsarmy.wikia.com/wiki/Maurice_Yeatman

Dad's Army
British sit com from the 1960s. Ah.. I missed this sit com growing up in the USA as an ignorant child.
More recently, my daughters and I would watch the Brit sit com "Absolutely Fabulous" which we all connected to with laughs!
I prefer British humor to the humor of Americans.
Americans cannot seem to be able to make fun of themselves. They only make fun of other people. :(

This one reminds me of Donald Trump threatening to sue everybody that smeared his reputation after he loses the US Presidential Election:
Don't tell him Pike!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhY-Y0I8DkY

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Update. PV made some better terrain here for the old Barracks and the new Howe Barracks.
I took advantage of this new development to replicate the newer Howe Barracks circa 1940, and add in the old Military Hospital.

I laid out a lot of my street/roads objects for the Howe Barracks. Helps me layout the buildings.
I see in the 1940 aerial photo that these Howe Barracks street/roads are bright white. Quite noticeable.
Not sure what the roads at Howe were made from. Fresh quarried and crushed gravel white limestone? Probably not concrete. Whatever, the roads there whitely stick out from the air.

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I only used the 1939/1940 Google Earth photos to make the buildings here. I placed one of Ben's Airman Institute objects to replicate the Military Hospital, which I consider important.

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I asked for the extension of Military Road into town, and you nailed perfectly, PV. :D I did not even have to move any of my trees there to adapt to it.
As a mechanic I love it when things fit together so well. :)

Looking down Military Road from town.
In the air, ye may see a Gruppe of Dorniers and their escorts on their way to bomb Faversham.

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I have not yet made the newer Howe Barracks the Target that the Germans will try to bomb.
Even tho I believe that German Intelligence thought that the Howe Barracks was more important than the old Barracks in 1940,
the German High Command, aka the nazis Goering and Hitler, were not intelligent and rarely bombed any Targets of importance during the Battle of Britain. :roll:
This Target should not be bombed until all of the aircraft factories were destroyed, and the RAF was SMASHED.
Canterbury Barracks, both.. to be bombed during the Invasion.
The cathedral, too. Snipers and artillery observers will be hiding and look see, from that! :evil:

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